thome posted on 4-4-2014 12:24 PM
OFF TOPIC sekejap..
saya sudah bertahun lama silent reader di sini..
ummah kristian yg sentap moslem kata jesus adalah muslim, sama tahap pemikirannya dengan ummah moslem malaysia yg larang non moslem guna kalimah Allah.
namun berbeza dari segi bentuk provokasi dan macam Maideen kata reaksi kot....
Maideen. posted on 5-4-2014 09:12 AM
Maideen dah baca thread yang Orange link kan itu.
http://mforum.cari.com.my/forum. ... tra=page ...
Hahahaha
Khenn. Memang menyampah baca cara dia. Persoalan tak dijwb lps tu duk ulang tanya maksud iman lah, perleceh n kondem pengetahuan basic org yg bertanya tak kuat lah bla bla bla. Senangnya cara lobainita ni menjwb isu2 agama. Budak darjah satu pun boleh duk belit2 mcm tu. Itu saja tahap dia, tp belagak mcm tahu semua n dia lah pakar yg kena bimbing org. Mcm tu saja ye thp mod bod ittew.
chazey posted on 4-4-2014 01:45 PM
Ada binatang lembam perasan ayat aku itu untuk menyindir dia. Dia sangka semua manusia selembam bi ...
cigu maap tanya..ko tulis tu DOA BAPA kami or our lord prayer
bapa kami tu merujuk sapa cikgu? ada kah merujuk lord JESUS CHRIST?
apa yang saya faham dari bahasa, kalo kita sebut 'bapa' , oang ni sure ada anak..btui dak cigu? kalo takdok anak, buleh ke rujuk sesoang itu soang bapa ka? tak lojik kan cigu?
Allah orang islam bukan bapa tau cigu pasei dalam quran yakni kata2 tuhan, ada kasi tau Allah tidak beranak so istilah bapa tokleh pakai, it is syirik to Allah
sekarang ni di mesia oang kristian nak ganti istilah bapa ni jadi Allah, saya tau selain istilah bapa depa guna istilah or perkataan TUHAN
so kalo ayat tu jadi Doa tuhan kami or our lord prayer, lagi bagus di baca dan di fahami..bahwa jesus christ tu tuhan or lord pada oang kristian
macam krishna tu dewa pada oang hindu, juga murthi jugak dan lelain ntah berapa banyak dewa depa
mintak maap cigu, saya sekadar tanya pasei to me it does not make sense guna istilah bapa
kalo bapa dia jesus christ, sapa nama anak tuhan? takkan jesus gak..berapa jesus jadi tuhan?
I rase term for Krishna is not deva, but bhagavan. When you translate everything, kau mesti nk ambik mudah jer kan specially British yg jd English speaker in India colonial time tue anggap non-Christians as pagans x suci murni mcm die yg civilized tue
Bhagavan, also written Bhagwan or Bhagawan, from the Sanskritnt-stem bhaga-vant- (nominative भगवान् Bhagavān) literally means "possessing fortune, prosperous" (from the noun bhaga, meaning "fortune, wealth", cognate to Slavic bog "god", Russian богатый (boga'ch) "wealthy"), and hence "illustrious, divine, venerable, holy", etc
How do you translate possessing fortune or prosperous in Malay?
1. Yang bertuah.
2. Yang makmur.
Source kitab agame Hindu.... Konsep ni kan ke exist lg dlm worldview org Melayu hilior yg sultan2 tue bayangan Tuhan di muke bumi neh? So, diorg boleh minum2 mabuk or etc tp x pyh kena hukum dgm court syariah
In [bhagavad gita] it clearly stated that bhagavan is just the avatar of supreme lord in the earth in other words the avatars of supreme lord as being human is termed as Bhagavan.
The Bhagavata Purana (1.2.11) states the definition of Bhagavan to mean the supreme most being:
The Learned Know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramatma or Bhagavan.[a]
The Sanskrit word bhagavan is explained in the Vishnu Purana (6.5.74, Venkateshvara edition 1910) by the great authority, Parashara Muni, the father of Vyasa Deva, defines Bhagavan as one (human-being) who possesses six opulencescompletely, as follows:
The Supreme Personality who possesses all riches, all strength, all fame, all beauty, all knowledge and all renunciation is called Bhagavan. There are many persons who are very rich, very powerful, very beautiful, very famous, very learned, and very much detached, but no one can claim that he possesses all riches, all strength, etc., entirely.
Term nie untuk org2 alim, or people yg boleh buat prophecy or divination or nabi2 (check root nabi in arabic??). I wonder kau Melayu2 hilior kan unsur HInduism kuat tp bhs tuk nenek Hindu kau sniri pun kau xleh bg definition?
So, deva/dewa/dewata tu really refers kat the "Real God" ke???
de·va
ˈdāvə/ noun
noun: deva; plural noun: devas 1.
a member of a class of divine beings in the Vedic period, which in Indian religion are benevolent and in Zoroastrianism are evil.
The Sanskrit deva- derives from Indo-Iranian *dev- which in turn descends from the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) word, *deiwos, originally an adjective meaning "celestial" or "shining", which is a PIE (not synchronic Sanskrit) vrddhi derivative from the root *diw meaning "to shine", especially as the day-lit sky.
Deva (देव in Devanagari script) is the Sanskrit word for deity, its related feminine term is devi. In modern Hinduism, it can be loosely interpreted as any benevolent supernatural being. The devas in Hinduism, also called Suras, are often juxtaposed to the Asuras, their half brothers.[1]Devas are also the maintainers of the realms as ordained by the Trimurti. They are often warring with their equally powerful counterparts, the Asuras.
In Hinduism, the asuras (Sanskrit: असुर) are a group of power-seeking deities different from the benign deities known as devas (which are also known as suras). They are sometimes considered naturalists, or nature-beings, in constant battle with the devas.
A deva (देव Sanskrit and Pāli) in Buddhism is one of many different types of non-human beings who share the characteristics of being more powerful, longer-lived, and, in general, living more contentedly than the average human being.
Synonyms in other languages include Khmertep (ទេព), or preah (ព្រះ), Myanmar languagenat, Tibetanlha, Mongoliantenger (тэнгэр), Chinesetiān (天), Koreancheon, Japaneseten, Vietnamesethiên, ThaiThevada .The concept of devas was adopted in Japan partly because of the similarity to the Shinto's concept of kami.
Other words used in Buddhist texts to refer to similar supernatural beings are devatā "deity" and devaputra (Pāli: devaputta) "son of the gods". It is unclear what the distinction between these terms is.
How do you compare these with makhluk ghaib in Islam like malaikat, genies, malaun, houri (bidadari sungai arak)????
Khenn. Memang menyampah baca cara dia. Persoalan tak dijwb lps tu duk ulang tanya maks ...
Maideen dapat merasakan kekeciwaan yang amat mendalam oleh thread starter itu apabila membaca postingnya yang ini:
sang moderator terima kasihla atas pendapat ko. aku tau ko bijak agama ilmu penuh di dada iman tinggi dan pelbagai. aku rasa ko delete jelah thread ni. aku xsuka cara ko berbicara. keras dan kasar. orang mcm ko bleh buat orang yang nak cari jawapan lagi rasa menyampah. baik ko hayati dulu pendekatan dakwah ko dari ko dok bebel pasal iman agama dan sebagai nya. jadikan bahasa tu molek dulu sblm nak berdakwah. ko boleh la delete thread ni. aku rasa da menyampah dgn cara ko bercakap. dahla x menjawab persoalan. assalamualaikum
Maideen. posted on 5-4-2014 01:07 AM
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I guess diorg kena tgk tesis yg credible (credible yea... credible... credible..) yg inspire diorg kot, bang Maideen... kan ker sume benda pun hade fiqh giittew nk difiQhkan jerr... bunyi arab x ejaan i tiew, bang Maideen? fiQh.. fiQH... i lulus x jd muslimah syumul? syumul x I?? ehurmmmhhh
Bedah.Cun posted on 5-4-2014 10:46 PM
Bedah ingat dulu buku teks pendidikan islam kbsr hade ajar jwpn
e.g (contoh jer)...
Jawab " Sebab ulamak credible kata Allah suroh dan oleh itu tak buat kalu rosak iman dan aqidah dan kena menjawab depan Rabb kat Padang Masyar nanti", tak boleh ka?
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