zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 07:18 AM
Nothing concrete menunjukkan kapai tu deviate from flight path. Another story to coverina?
It was clearly shown by the russian, the radar history of all the aircrafts yang berada di kawasan tersebut, siap dengan altitude, heading, speed.. nampak jelas MH17 turn to left off the airways, after about 15 miles off the route, flying parallel track for few minutes, was asked to turn back to the right ( direct to, as heard by the Air India ) and few second after that MH17 dissappeared from the radar screen. And all this tak dinafikan oleh Ukraine or the american.
zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 11:15 AM
1)rotov atc tu russian...so russian story to back their version of story
If you want to disprove Rostov ATC, then you should refer Ukraine ATC.... what happen? Nobody in the west really cares about Ukraine ATC at the moment. Still want to blame Russia?
2) the damage shown was verified due to SAM
Ok. Is the report official? Verified by who? Or backed by Kiev? You know, Kiev have been reporting things before the official report comes out. Playing with media to confuse many people....Did you notice?
3) so what if its manufactured by the ruskies? U think facts of flight envelope is a big secret?
It is disputable. Modifications to the later version can be made... not a big secret but the info can be outdated
kelana36 posted on 12-8-2014 11:28 AM
It was clearly shown by the russian, the radar history of all the aircrafts yang berada di kawasan ...
Ok. This is something to ponder. No worry, even if their transcript not given, it will all be in the voice recorder. We will see what they were talking about. Hopefully they deviate due weather, and once cleared weather, instructed to track direct to a point.
mnm77 posted on 12-8-2014 11:31 AM
If you want to disprove Rostov ATC, then you should refer Ukraine ATC.... what happen? Nobody in ...
So far i havent implicated ukraine atc in the picture.
if u wanna dispute the claim of SAM fine with me, since ur claim of AAM is very much disputed, worst.
no such reported upgrade on the frogfoot, especially the cash strapped ukraine. Even then the ole frame wont make them fly higher, due to the nature of the original capability n design. Dah la cash strapped, lagi nak nafikan hak utk dibayar laluan udaranya sbb tembak kapai org, what for? Skrg semua org tak lalu atas tu, dah tak masyuk...siapa yg rugi?
zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 11:33 AM
Ok. This is something to ponder. No worry, even if their transcript not given, it will all be in the voice recorder. We will see what they were talking about. Hopefully they deviate due weather, and once cleared weather, instructed to track direct to a point.
Officially MAS has already denied the claims made that MH17 deviate due to weather. Ukraine ATC keep quiet as usual....
zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 07:24 AM
Sekejap rusky ni kata ar to air, sekejap 30mm rounds, boleh pi ligan lg kapai tgh drop utk tembak ...
Russian never mention anything about 30mm, itu hanya theory dari the so called pakar yang dah tengok picture left hand side of the cockpit jer.. but they , as I do suspect yang air to air missile was fired onto Mh17. Kalau backtrack a bit few pages ada I posted picture warhead of the SA11, which is not much difference dengan warhead Aphid air to air missile yang digunakan oleh SU25 tu.. both SA11 from the BUK and Alphid guna proximity fuze, the fragmentation that hit the plane as big as 30mm gun shot. Kalau 30mm yang guna High Explosive Anti Tank, ak macam tu hasilnya, so it is a fragmentation from the missile, could be from SAM or Air to Air..
zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 11:41 AM
So far i havent implicated ukraine atc in the picture.
if u wanna dispute the claim of SAM fine with me, since ur claim of AAM is very much disputed, worst.
Please note: not that i want to dispute with you about MH17 being down by BUK... i can share the same theory.. but the appearance of 2 fighter jets cannot be disproved by the Ukrainian.... only blatant denial
My point is the Ukrainian role.... they are not really transparent... seems they are scared.... do the blaming too quick before official report... with the help of western media...
mnm77 posted on 12-8-2014 11:46 AM
Please note: not that i want to dispute with you about MH17 being down by BUK... i can share the s ...
Good for you to hv that judgement. As far as im concerned, i tried my best not to put any james bond in the storyline. I took it as plainly as what n how n when it happened, without any preplanned action by any party.
zainmahmud posted on 12-8-2014 10:04 AM
Owner lori volvo putih yg bawak buk pon depa dah interview, lori dia kena pau by the rebels. Takde masalah depa bawak masuk n kluar buk tu dari rusia ke ukraine vice versa. Its so near to the border.
Yang ni, jangan terkejut la...
Lori tu bawa BUK312... yang kena interview oleh polis Ukraine, sebenarnya UKRAINIAN goverment punya... Ukraine KANTOI lagi...
Saya sendiri jadi follower official SBU website, saya bersaksi yang website SBU masukkan gambar lori putih dan BUK (dapat dibuktikan BUK312), pastu pada 24 hb Julai dipadam... sebab BUK312 Ukraine punya dan nombor plate lori yang bawa BUK312 tu didaftarkan dalam Ukraine.... konon nak tuduh dibawa dari Russia... bila sedar dah kantoi SBU Ukraine padam....
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