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Post time 3-4-2006 10:03 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Gravedigger at 3-4-2006 05:37 PM
Nak menyampuk sikit brother....bab-bab sahabat ni memang masa aku join tabligh dulu memang tak boleh sentuh langsung mereka seolah-olah 124,000 para sahabat semuanya tak berbuat dosa dan masuk syurga....tapi apabila terjumpa kisah-kisah mereka dalam sejarah lain pula hakikatnya, malah dalam kitab-kitab hadis ASWJ terdapat juga kecurangan-kecurangan mereka. Takkan tak boleh langsung nak kritik apa yang pernah berlaku dulu kan.

Tentang student yg ko kata convert pada syiah tu tak boleh nafi gak lah. Benda baru yang mereka dapat tentulah bersemangat lebih-lebih lagi selama ini tersembunyi dari pengetahuan mereka. Masa aku student dan ikut wahabi dulu pun lebih kurang macam tu juga lah....lepas sembahyang terus bangun dan tak mau bertahlil dengan jemaah sebab semua tu bidaah. Kenduri-kendara pun aku boikot sebab bidaah sesat juga. Jangan ko tak tahu semua bidaah-bidaah tu masuk neraka termasuk semua pengikut-pengikut mazhab ASWJ.




tak per menyampuk...  mualaikumsalam.

ni yang masaalahnya bila kau kata nak kritik.  cuba kau baca doa Sanamay Quraish

"O' Allah, sal ala Muhamed wa ala aal Muhamed and curse the two idols of Quraysh (Abu Bakr and Omar), its (Quraysh's) two sorcerers, its two tyrants, its two liars, and their two daughters (Aysha and Hafsah) who (Abu Bakr and Omar) disagreed with your order, denied your revelation, rejected your goodness, disobeyed your messenger, altered your religion, manipulated (harafa) your Book (Al-Quran), loved your enemy, rejected your lovers, suspended your verdicts, invalidated your orders, did not believe in your proves, antagonized your lovers, patronized your foes, ruined your country, and corrupted your slaves, O' Allah curse them both, their followers, their lovers, their people, their adherents, their partisans, their disciples...o Allah, curse them for every verse that they manipulated"  


silap-silap moderator pun delete doa ni...   aku harap kalau delete, jangan ler delete nama doanya.  kot nanti boleh search kat tempat lain.

ini dah bukan kritik.  ni dah sampai tahap mendoakan.  tak tau ler kot ada orang syiah translate doa ni ke bahasa melayu.  macamana bunyinya agaknya.

macamana aku nak tenteram duduk dalam kereta dengan seorang rakan syiah.  bila mulut dia 'kritik' (kiasan jer tu) ulamak sunni yang aku biasa dengar ceramahnya.  boleh ke aku yakin yang dalam hati dia tak 'kritik' aku sekali.  

mungkin kau kata ni bebudak baru convert jadi semangat lebih.  mungkin yer atau mungkin kau saja nak jaga hati kawan.  samada ia orang baru atau lama, aku rasa biarlah kita nilaikan lain kali.  tu pun kau dah kata aku masuk neraka.  kalau yer, kau tolong ler mintakkan tempat yang kurang panas untuk aku yer.
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Post time 4-4-2006 12:16 AM | Show all posts
assalamualaikum....boleh tahu saudara dapat kat mana doa tu??teringin nak tengok...
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Post time 4-4-2006 01:26 AM | Show all posts
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18272&st=50

Now what is this Du3aa Sanamay Quraysh?

Here is the translation:


[quote]
"O' Allah, sal ala Muhamed wa ala aal Muhamed and curse the two idols of Quraysh (Abu Bakr and Omar), its (Quraysh's) two sorcerers, its two tyrants, its two liars, and their two daughters (Aysha and Hafsah) who (Abu Bakr and Omar) disagreed with your order, denied your revelation, rejected your goodness, disobeyed your messenger, altered your religion, MANIPULATED (HARAFA) your Book (Al-Quran), loved your enemy, rejected your lovers, suspended your verdicts, invalidated your orders, did not believe in your proves, antagonized your lovers, patronized your foes, ruined your country, and corrupted your slaves, O' Allah curse them both, their followers, their lovers, their people, their adherents, their partisans, their disciples...o Allah, curse them FOR EVERY VERSE THAT THEY MANIPULATED"   


So thank you very much for reminding me of another proof for the belief of your greatest scholars in the MANIPULATION of the Quraan.

Btw, this Dua3 was accepted by:

1. "Ayatullah" Sayyed Muhsin Hakeem Al-Tabtiba'ei

2. "Ayatullah" Sayyed Abu Al-Qasim Al-Kho'ei

3. "Ayatullah" Sayyed Rouhallah Khomenie

4. "Ayatullah" Sayyed Mahmoud Al-Shamroudi

5. "Ayatullah" Sayyed Muhamed Kazim Shari'atmdar

6. "Ayatullah" Sayyed Ali Al-Naqi Al-Naqari
[/quote]


dia orang gadoh pasal perkataan harafa bukan pasal doa tu tipu.  kemudian tak der pon orang syiah kata doa tu tak wujud.  memang wujud le doa tu.
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Post time 4-4-2006 01:36 AM | Show all posts
sambil-sambil tu boleh le kau baca kat forum sana tu topic yang brader ibnu_mutalib tu bagi....  interesting...  kot0kot sape nak bukak tred tu kat sini....  hehehehe

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17174


aisey...  kena edit link....

[ Last edited by  ibnur at 4-4-2006 01:41 AM ]
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 Author| Post time 4-4-2006 01:41 AM | Show all posts
Assalamualaikum....

Originally posted by ibnur at 4-4-2006 01:26 AM
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18272&st=50



So thank you very much for reminding me of another proof for the belief of your greatest scholars in the MANIPULATION of the ...


Tetarik dlm kepelikan saya.....

Dlm kes fadak mereka mempertahankan Aisyah..... lepas tu mereka terima doa tersebut....

Fening..... semakin feninglah....

Salam sejahtera....
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Post time 4-4-2006 01:45 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by izzansdy at 4-4-2006 01:41 AM
Assalamualaikum....



Tetarik dlm kepelikan saya.....

Dlm kes fadak mereka mempertahankan Aisyah..... lepas tu mereka terima doa tersebut....

Fening..... semakin feninglah....

Salam s ...




sape pulak yang terima...  kan tu doa orang syiah.  kau baca la dari mula sampai habis.  mana ada orang sunni doa macam tu?

lagi aku fening.
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Post time 4-4-2006 01:47 AM | Show all posts
lagi pun kita orang tak ambil hati pun.   ko doa ler macam mana pun.

lupa jawab salam.  mualaikumsalam warah matullah whale.  wabillahitaufiq.
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 Author| Post time 4-4-2006 01:48 AM | Show all posts
Assalmulaikum....

Originally posted by ibnur at 4-4-2006 01:45 AM




sape pulak yang terima...  kan tu doa orang syiah.  kau baca la dari mula sampai habis.  mana ada orang sunni doa macam tu?

lagi aku fening.



Msg tadi utk org syiahlah.....

Tapi tak akan menjadi hairan.... mereka ini meminta syafaat dari syaidina ali...... lain kita mengikut hadith qudsi , ia itu hanyasa nya rasul saja yg dpt memberi syafaat....

Salam sejahtera....

[ Last edited by  izzansdy at 4-4-2006 01:51 AM ]
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Post time 4-4-2006 01:52 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by izzansdy at 4-4-2006 01:48 AM
Assalmulaikum....




Msg tadi utk org syiahlah.....


lorrr...  mualaikumsalam warahmatullah.  aku ingat tadi si whale....   ehhh...  mintak maaf yer.

tak paham ler aku....  kengkadang dia orang kata hadith aisyah palsu, kengkadang mutawwatil ...  ish lagi pening aku.
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Post time 4-4-2006 04:33 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by ibnur at 3-4-2006 10:03 PM




tak per menyampuk...  mualaikumsalam.

ni yang masaalahnya bila kau kata nak kritik.  cuba kau baca doa Sanamay Quraish



silap-silap moderator pun delete doa ni...   aku harap kalau ...


Laa...bukankah berdoa itu perhubungan antara makhluk dengan Penciptanya. Allah itu kan Maha Pemurah Lagi Maha Penyayang. Berdoa itu juga satu komunikasi pengaduan dari manusia kepada Tuhannya. Kalau betul lah seperti apa yang di doakan maka Allah jua yang memutuskannya...begitu juga kalau sekiranya silap maka bukankah Allah jugalah nanti yang akan melaknatinya.
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Post time 4-4-2006 07:37 PM | Show all posts
Betul tu...kalo silap biar la Allah yg melaknat...
Jgn sampai tuduh menuduh,kafir mengkafir....urusan Allah biar Allah yg mengurus kan...
Kalo tau diri benar terus kan...kalo tau diri salah perbaikan lagi...
Amcam...power tak ayat???

Doa itu ada yg baik...dan ada yg tidak dan d tegah agama..
Tidak kah "Doa itu senjata bagi org yg telah beriman"?
Dan "otak ibadat"??

Dan kata Rasulullah,"Org2 mu'min itu umpama anggota pd badan,kalo yg satu sakit yg lain terasa kesan nya".

Wallahu a'lam...:nerd:
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Post time 4-4-2006 09:38 PM | Show all posts
terima kasih atas url yang diberikan.......
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 Author| Post time 6-4-2006 11:20 PM | Show all posts
Assalamualaikum

Betul juga kata , Gravedigger.....

Dan betul juga kata si wysiwyg....

Doa sebagai alat perhubungan antara hamba..... dan pintalah doa yg baik2....

" Ya ALLAH, tunjukilah kpd ku jln yg benar yg engkau tlh redai.... bukan jln org yg tlh meyimpang dari  kebenaran KITAB MU, agar dpt ku jadikan pelajaran utk diri ku " ....AMIIINN...

Salam sejahtera....
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 Author| Post time 6-4-2006 11:31 PM | Show all posts
Assalamalaikum....

Nak tanya forumers sikit, makna (dlm bahasa melayu ) bagi Ayatullah

Maaf, off topic....

Salam sejahtera...
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Post time 7-4-2006 02:05 AM | Show all posts
ayatollah  n. Shiite religious leader in Iran. [Persian from Arabic, = token of God]

maknanya...(secara lebih kurang) Tanda2 Allah (silap tolong betulkan)...entahlah siapa yang mula2 "gatal" nak memberi gelaran ini.....
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 Author| Post time 8-4-2006 09:35 PM | Show all posts
Assalamualaikum....

Originally posted by whale at 7-4-2006 02:05 AM
ayatollah  n. Shiite religious leader in Iran.

maknanya...(secara lebih kurang) Tanda2 Allah (silap tolong betulkan)...entahlah siapa yang mula2 "gatal" nak memberi gelaran ini.....


Terima kasih whale.....

Tanda2 ALLAH ???.... masih kurang jelas lah...

Tanda dlm erti kitabnya (AL QURAN ) ke ???

Salam sejahtera....
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Post time 8-4-2006 11:45 PM | Show all posts
Rasanya soalan ini perlu ditujukan kepada pihak syiah kerana merekalah yang mem'Popular"kan sebutan Ayatollah ini  :dia::dia:
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 Author| Post time 8-4-2006 11:49 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by whale at 8-4-2006 11:45 PM
Rasanya soalan ini perlu ditujukan kepada pihak syiah kerana merekalah yang mem'Popular"kan sebutan Ayatollah ini  :dia::dia:


Maksudnya mmg gitu.....
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Post time 9-4-2006 10:13 AM | Show all posts
Mksd nya mcm signature la...lbh kurang...
Tapi Allahu a'lam..
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Post time 10-4-2006 04:35 PM | Show all posts
mana syiah ni....?????hai....takkan tak mahu explain kot....:nerd:
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