Proton:The Failed Experiment of Dr. M and UMNO

d'zeck · Post time 17-12-2008 06:34 PM

Originally posted by freebird at 17-12-2008 06:18 PM

sorry, my standards are higher than yours....

ya i know that,
u got wings so that u can fly

d'zeck · Post time 17-12-2008 06:43 PM

thats a good view from u, mate
keep it up,
just let proton move forward with their own pace

dianaris · Post time 17-12-2008 06:44 PM

baguslah patriotik2 ni..
cuma, yg jadi masalah bila patriotik yg boleh menjatuhkan maruah negara.. (or something like that)..
patriotik tapi sanggup menerima teguran dan cabaran, berusaha ke arah perubahan yg berkualiti.. aku pun sokong..
tapi, bila dah taknak dengar kritikan utk ke arah kemajuan dan kebaikan company tu sendiri.. tu yg jadi lain..
pastu melalut cakap psl nak kondem org2 melayu..
the topic psl BISNES..
dan kebetulan lah kan.. PROTON ni pun majoriti besar yg bekerja adalah org2 kita.. so, secara tak langsung org2 melayu yg sensitip tak hengat ni dah start meroyan tak tentu hala kata dengki lah tu sumer.. walhal.. its just about car..
kereta2 Jepun pun ada yg tak elok, ada yg error sampai kena tarik balik..
tapi, ada tak diorang ni kondem org Jepun mcm2..
kereta Perancis pun sama.. taklah hebat mana, tapi takdelah org Perancis nak meroyan psl ketuanan diorang tercabar.. and yet they still work on to make good quality cars..

cuba kalau pekerja2 proton ni nisbah bangsa2 yg bekerja kat situ sama rata...?
ntah apa yg diroyankan..
apapun, aku still salute kat CEO Syed ni.. cuma, tangan2 politik dgn org2 yg berpengaruh yg tak tau apa2 psl bisnes buat kacau dlm Proton.. mmg jadi masalah sgt2.. hopefully he can do something about it..

Eokboy · Post time 17-12-2008 06:47 PM

Yea let it go bankrupt without us having to bail their sorry ass out with our tax. Then we can go back to enjoying good cars at reasonable prices, just like the days before '85, just like the rest of the world.

[ Last edited by Eokboy at 17-12-2008 06:49 PM ]

Eokboy · Post time 17-12-2008 06:52 PM

Maybe, just maybe, we can finally pay RM50,000 and not have our torso violently fed into the steering wheel when a frontal collision happens because we'll have ****** airbags!!

Dunhill. · Post time 17-12-2008 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Eokboy at 17-12-2008 06:47 PM
Yea let it go bankrupt without us having to bail their sorry ass out with our tax. Then we can go back to enjoying good cars at reasonable prices, just like the days before '85, just like the res ...

Hahahaha memang ada yang marah2 sbb kita kondem Proton mcm orang hilang akal..

Rasanya kalau harga kereta sama spt sbl tahun 1985 yakni tanpa tax aku rasa ramai gak org UMNO akan beli.. Dia beli boleh tp kalau org beli dia kata tak patriotik bagai..

Dunhill. · Post time 17-12-2008 08:59 PM

Betul ker oil filter SAVVY sampai RM 40.00 ??? Masya allah..

juanco · Post time 17-12-2008 09:16 PM

cuba bandingkan harga keta Toyota Yaris & Toyota Corolla Altis kat langkawi(bebas cukai) dgn peninsular biasa.murahnya keta2 ni tanpa cukai import

Toyota Yaris 1.5S Price

Peninsular Malaysia
RM 98,790.40

Langkawi
RM 55,198.78

Toyota Corolla Altis 1.6E

[size=85%]Prices in Peninsular Malaysia
RM 102,900

[size=85%]Prices in Langkawi
RM 64, 673

[ Last edited by juanco at 17-12-2008 09:21 PM ]

abangbikerz · Post time 17-12-2008 09:18 PM

perancis ngan jepun buat kete pakai kemampuan sendiri, mesia buat kete pakai kemampuan orang pakai teknologi orang... itulah perbezaannya..

ifanonline · Post time 17-12-2008 11:03 PM

walaupun dok menekan orang, PROTON telah melahirkan banyak profesional melayu...no pain, no gain...

juanco · Post time 17-12-2008 11:21 PM

ye lar...
walaupon kualiti proton truk dgn harganya yg tak berpatutan,tapi aku ttp beli proton...
busuk2 pon keta org kita jugak kan....

myrih · Post time 17-12-2008 11:59 PM

Aku bangga dengan Proton walaupun quality dipertikaikan. Aku drive Iswara nak masuk 8 tahun, alhamdulillah tiada masalah besar sepanjang tempoh tersebut. Tapi biasala orang kita lebih suka bercerita tentang negatif daripada positif. Siapa lagi yang nak sokong barangan tempatan kalau bukan kita. Itulah yang hendak diterap sebenarnya...lagipun daripada Proton,... kita ada Perodua... macam-macam lagi yang kita mampu buat.

Sebenarnya kita ini mampu buat...MALAYSIA BOLEH...tapi orang kita lebih MAMPU MENGATA dan MENGUTUK...daripada MAMPU memberikan sokongan yang positif....

[ Last edited by myrih at 18-12-2008 12:02 AM ]

satriastendet · Post time 18-12-2008 02:20 AM

Proton x failed. Yg fail ialah implementation shj. Dgn management baru ceo syed zainal, proton blh pergi jauh. Proton x mati pun kalau YB2 negeri PR x nk pakai (camry bagus katanya). Proton Boleh berjaya.

biosfree · Post time 18-12-2008 03:51 AM

ITU la Asam ragam bisnis.....jatuh turun naik...semuanya ada.....apa salahnya RAkyat Malaysia..sokong.....daripada gelak kerana jatuh.......nak harap org YAHUDI sokong supaya proton naik?????? ape ni......as Malaysian, kita bantu la bagi skoongan, kalau kereta tu banyak problem.....kan ada agency/tribunal pengguna diwujudkan ...... alaaa bagi komplen je........at least Malaysia ni ader gak TRADEmark.....

mcm kat JEPUN...ada Toyota/honda/Mits/ etc.......jadi kenapa pulak suke kalau PROTON jatuh......

rambutan · Post time 18-12-2008 07:55 AM

tak betoi... masyaallahh......

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mo-mo · Post time 18-12-2008 08:17 AM

Originally posted by d'zeck at 17-12-2008 18:43
thats a good view from u, mate
keep it up,
just let ("let" is not the correct word in this context - we are 'forced' to support it's survival) proton move forward with their own pace

FGS, how to move forward if protong still depends on import tax to avoid competition to survive? Talking about nationalism & patriotism.... protong is the one who should prove it's patriotism making good products for malaysians, for the country. Instead protong make quality products only for export selling at cheaper prices than ourselves paid for worse quality local models.

mo-mo · Post time 18-12-2008 08:21 AM

Originally posted by d'zeck at 17-12-2008 18:18
only if u look from 'just make money' point of view

if you look from the 'nationalism & patriotism', protong itself doesn't have that spirit - They make good quality cars for export only, lower quality-made models are sold to it's own people.

mo-mo · Post time 18-12-2008 08:24 AM

Originally posted by d'zeck at 17-12-2008 18:22
thanks for that remark, mate
i'm still a proud citizen of malaysia anyway

thanx to you too. we are as proud as you to be Malaysians, but not protong. Our eyes still can see and our noses still can smell the 'fish'...

mo-mo · Post time 18-12-2008 08:28 AM

Originally posted by ifanonline at 17-12-2008 23:03
walaupun dok menekan orang, PROTON telah melahirkan banyak profesional melayu...no pain, no gain...

iyalah tu, hasil dari hisap darah orang miskin macam kita...

mo-mo · Post time 18-12-2008 08:30 AM

Originally posted by biosfree at 18-12-2008 03:51
ITU la Asam ragambisnis.....jatuh turun naik...semuanya ada.....apa salahnya RAkyatMalaysia..sokong.....daripada gelak kerana jatuh.......nak harap orgYAHUDI sokong supaya proton naik?????? ape ni......as Malaysian, kitabantu la bagi skoongan, kalau kereta tu banyak problem.....kan adaagency/tribunal pengguna diwujudkan ...... alaaa bagi komplenje........at least Malaysia ni ader gak TRADEmark.....

mcm kat JEPUN...ada Toyota/honda/Mits/ etc.......jadi kenapa pulak suke kalau PROTON jatuh......

orang takkan gelak kalau dia jatuh setelah buat sungguh-sungguh. tapi kalau dia jatuh lepas dia hisap darah org berpendapatan rendah & sederhana mcm kita.... mcm mana tu?