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Edisi fitnah : Dalam kristian tiada kasta!
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Redskin replied at 11-2-2018 03:32 PM
John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for ...
Aku dah jawab persoalan ni berjela2 kat page seblom ni. Malas nak taip balik. Ko view author's post jah kalau nak tengok respon aku. |
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Redskin replied at 11-2-2018 03:38 PM
Org2 Kistian memanggil Pope "Holy Father"
Adakah ini bermakna pope adalah God ???
Not all Christians, pembetulan. Only the Catholics. |
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Redskin replied at 11-2-2018 03:44 PM
Tetapi adakah Matahari itu God bagi org yg BERAKAL??
Ko ada akal tak...boleh ke manus ...
Mana ayat Bible ko konon contradict Jesus dikata Tuhan?  |
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Redskin replied at 11-2-2018 03:50 PM
No saviour besides Me...macamana boleh kata Jesus the Saviour ???
#facepalm.
Ayat ni diturunkan sebelum Jesus lahir sebagai anak manusia di dunia, bukan kah?
Tetapi itu tidak bermaksud dalam Old Testament lansung takda prophecy tentang Jesus dan kedatangan Jesus untuk menyelamatkan Yisroel? (Google sindri, malas nak tepek ayat). |
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sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 04:07 PM
Ha ha ... clueless cikgu chazey bagi artikel sooo vague
Takut pulak tu bagi link , ni lah dia p ...
Dasar bodoh takleh google sindri sumber artikel tu dari mana?
Kalau aku bagi link pon, ko kan bodoh BI. Sedangkan aku bagi ayat Bible pon pasal divinity Jesus pon ko gagal untok faham, inikan artikel panjang lebar.  No, bukan aku yang divert. Aku konsisten dari awal sampai akhir. Baca sindri post2 ko, tengok sapa raja konar raja dovert. |
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sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 04:12 PM
Ha ha .. clueless cikgu chazey bagi logik org gila
Kalau anak tersebut bukan penagih dadah , ma ...
Sam,
Tadi ada sorang bodoh taip ayat :
Kalo disuruh mengatakan sesuatu & the person completely believe in it
Bukan ke ia satu pengakuan?
Bila aku bagi analogi pasal anak lobai disuruh ngaku penagih dadah seperti di bawah:
If lobai suruh anak lobai mengaku dia penagih dadah, dan anak lobai percaya dia penagih dadah (walau dia tak menagih), maka dia telah mengakui bahwa dia seorang penagih dadah (walau tanpa sebarang pengakuan lisan mahupun bertulis).
Terus dia jadik sewel lalu taip gini:
Kalau anak tersebut bukan penagih dadah , macamana dia boleh percaya & mengaku diri dia tu penagih dadah
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Edited by sam1528 at 11-2-2018 08:26 PM
Ha ha ... cikgu chazey who is as cluless as ever
Which word in the Bible does the Bible say that God the Father sent Jesus (just) to be His messenger? You didn't read the whole Bible, I guess?
You claimed that I was not able to come with any biblical proof that Jesus was indeed God in the Bible?
Pght.
It baffles me actually to look at how you made yourself fail to see the many Bible verses where Jesus said he is on an equal position with God the Father that I have been providing. It is indeed unfortunate that you refuse to accept them as proofs but I do not blame you if you let yourself be blinded by your own ego. Your comrade lobai @foreskin even had the guts to say Thomas responded to Jesus, calling him his Lord and God as an act of takajut upon seeing Jesus rising from the dead in the form of a flesh (because Thomas could touch him according to the Bible). Seeing how bodoh the two of you are is truly a revelation for me.
You mean by reading the bible from cover to cover , one would then come to the conclusion that biblical Jesus was / is God?
This is soooo silly
Ha ha ha ha ... if God sent biblical Jesus per joh17:4 , does it not make him God's messenger?
Oh you mean ... one God sent another God ... where is the logic in this?
Malachi 3:1 (Bible NIV)
“I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.
Biblical Jesus is the fulfillment.
My position harmonise the biblical verses whereas yours contradict
Who is being silly now?
BTW , can you stop farting thru your mouth
If you read the bible with objectivity , the one being incredulous is you. Example
- sitting on the right hand of God .... taa daa the person is god : what is the basis of this claim?
What evidence have you provided? When scrutinised , you fail to provide any factual or biblical references to back your claim
You need to take along hard look at yourself .... I am looking for biblical facts not some second rate opinion from you who cannot even back your claim with the pertinent blibical verses
In addition , you cannot even provide any counter arguments when your points have been put to the sword
Yet you have the gall to call others stupid? The one with the ego is you and only you
In the end , you become emotional .... this is typical of the 'lobai & lobainita ateis & pro ateis' - cannot address the issue , digress to emotions
Emotions don't win any thing , facts & data do
Kah kah kah ... you are such a clueless person , you jump from one verse to another without any adequate understanding ... you , a teacher .... hmmmmm
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Ha ha ... cikgu chazey , dah lah clueless ... intelectually dishonest pulak
Kalo ko dah bagi artikel , kita kena jadik intellectually honest & bagi link dia
Pasal apa ko takut sgt nak bagi tersebut?
Ha ha ha ha ... yg kureng fasih english ... ada contoh yg bagus
THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE = Biblical Jesus is God
Sapa yg agak2 cakap sedemikian?
Ko konsisten ... konsisten lari adalah - dok lari dari satu ayat ke ayat yg lain bila ditanya balik
Kah kah kah .... cikgu chazey yg konfom intellectually dishonest
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Sepanjang yang aku dok tengok debat kat Speakers Corner/Hyde Park di UK nun tak ada sorang kristian pun dapat membuktikan divinity jesus ni. Samada geng2 dari UK atau preacher dari US spt J smith and the geng.
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Edited by sam1528 at 11-2-2018 07:21 PM
Ha ha .. ko dah jadik mereng lah cikgu chazey
Aku tepek apa ko cakap :
Sam,
Tadi ada sorang bodoh taip ayat :
Kalo disuruh mengatakan sesuatu & the person completely believe in it
Bukan ke ia satu pengakuan?
Bila aku bagi analogi pasal anak lobai disuruh ngaku penagih dadah seperti di bawah:
If lobai suruh anak lobai mengaku dia penagih dadah, dan anak lobai percaya dia penagih dadah (walau dia tak menagih), maka dia telah mengakui bahwa dia seorang penagih dadah (walau tanpa sebarang pengakuan lisan mahupun bertulis).
Terus dia jadik sewel lalu taip gini:
Kalau anak tersebut bukan penagih dadah , macamana dia boleh percaya & mengaku diri dia tu penagih dadah
Ha ha ha ha ... ko dah terlampau terdesak lah cikgu chazey
Ko dah mula nak bohong pasal pada post#167 akau catat :
Kalo disuruh mengatakan sesuatu & the person completely believe in it
Bukan ke ia satu pengakuan?
Baca balik Quran 7:158
Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided.
Tu pasal aku cakap :
Kalo disuruh mengatakan sesuatu & the person completely believe in it
Bukan ke ia satu pengakuan?Baca balik Quran 7:158
Tak address the issue langsung
Ko dah desperate ke , nampak betul yg ko ni tak mampu berpikir secara logik
Kah kah kah ... cikgu chazey yg cluless & dah desperate
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Edited by sam1528 at 11-2-2018 10:22 PM
Ha ha ... isu skg senang aje bro
Si cikgu chazey , yg clueless tu , baca bible ikut bias trinitarian pasal dia klaim dulu dia kristian
Dia bagi satu ayat bible & tak boleh soal dah
Bila poin dia dipersoalkan & rujukkan bible diberi sebagai bukti , dia emotional kata org cerca kristian & bible
Kalo macam tu tak payah lah nak berforum ... sikit2 terhina , hanya org yg tak ada kelas aje jadik emotional pasal tak mampu jawab soalan org
Macam ni kalo dia pergi ke speaker's corner tu , boleh menangis dia
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Kadang2 aku terpikir mana satu org kristian mana satu org Islam...yg bukan penganut lak lebih tau dan pakar |
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Edited by enhe.duanna at 12-2-2018 08:23 AM
sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 04:21 PM
Ha ha ... ini macam lobainita minah sewel aje
Kalo ko betul lobainita minah sewel , pasal apa k ...
Kenapa id lama i boleh bagi u cerdik sikit kah if so i boleh tukar semula ....lol...
Gila sam soalan i u belum jawab ... macam mana tuhan intervene dalam kehidupan manusia termasuk hukum melalui wahyu ? ....
Consensual ? ....mahu cakap isteri ?
Hamba di dera gila sam? U ini penuh dengan sadistic dari pedo hingga ke hamba semua mahu hujah mendera ...lol...
Sahih Muslim 3383—Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a man came to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: I have a slave-girl who is our servant and she carries water for us and I have intercourse with her, but I do not want her to conceive. He said: Practise ‘azl, if you so like, but what is decreed for her will come to her. The person stayed back (for some time) and then came and said: The girl has become pregnant, whereupon he said: I told you what was decreed for her would come to he
Tiada beza pun zaman nabi seperti jahilliah saja pun....
Islam tiada kasta ?
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Alhamdulillah setakat ni aku tak pernah maki atau cerca sesiapa. Apa yang aku nak sampaikan hanya perkara yang benar.
Sebelum ni aku jarang komen pasal isu agama. Tapi sebab provokasi melampau oleh geng anti Islam dan penyokong pengganas Kristian khususnya @FOTHER-MUCKER, aku rasa menjadi tanggungjawab aku untuk menyangkal semua fitnah yang diaorang sebarkan.
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Perkara benar apa! Kamu lah kaki putar belit terbesar di forum ci!
Kononya kamu lobai o4ang takan nampak putar belit kamu ka?
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Soalan aku mudah saja. Ada tak Nabi Isa a.s. kata " I am God, worship me"? Jawapannya tiada. Kalau kau tanya Pope pun dia tak dapat jawab benda tu.
Malah ayat pertama dalam bible pun Nabi Isa a.s. takde claim dirinya yang cipta syurga dan dunia. Tetapi dia kata Tuhan yang cipta syurga dan dunia.
Rujuk Genesis 1: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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Apa ni? Video ni cakap pasal kononnya Nabi Isa a.s. tu anak Tuhan. Bukan cerita pasal Nabi Isa a.s. kata "I am God, worship me".
Kalau kau nak konar pun, bagitau la awal. Boleh la aku bersedia sikit. Ini main konar je ikut suka.
Ada ke Nabi Isa a.s. kata "I am God" atau "Please worship me"? Aku rasa Pope pun tak ada jawapannya. Apa lagi penyokong pengganas Kristian.
Bagus gak kau bangkitkan pasal anak tuhan ni. Sebab perkataan 'begotten' (anak Tuhan) dalam Gospel John dah dikeluarkan oleh puak gereja sendiri dari bible sebab dianggap palsu dan menghina Tuhan:
The word ‘begotten’ mentioned in the Gospel of John, Chap 3 vs. 16 has been thrown out from the Revised Standard Version of the Bible as an interpolation, as a fabrication. The Revised Standard Version has been revised by 32 Christian Scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co-operating denominations and these Scholars have removed this blasphemous word without any ceremony as an interpolation, concoction, fabrication, and adulteration.
Jadi apa komen anda?
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miss chazey..aku tertarik ngan hujah lobai2 yang bila tersepit suka keluar buku mitos fiction dia dari bukhari and the geng tu..maklumlah lobai ci selalu claim quran tak akan complete tanpa hadis..walaupun dalam quran tuhan dia kata dah complete dan terpelihara dari segala jenis ancaman..(kecuali kambeng)
anyway depa selalu junjung hadis ni 100% betul walaupun ade hadis sahih dan tak sahih or tak kuat etc..go figure
depa selalu je pakai ayat2..
-ko tak tau science hadis
-ko tak tau hadis ni dicollect guna hadith transmission
-ko tak tau mutawittit ketitir transmission etc2..
kononya si pengarang hadis ni jumpa sekor..pastu sekor ni citer satu hadis sambil petik nama2..yang ber"link" or chain dari 2-3 orang sampailah ke nabi...katanyaaaaaa...
lagumana dia buktikan..mamat 1 link dari maat 2 ke 3 4 sampai 10 ke takde bukti..hanay si pengarang hadis je kekononya yang "mengesahkan"..prrftthhhh
tapi ni "satu" je contoh "science hadis" yang depa bangga tu
Narrated Abu Huraira:
"The Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents.' A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?" The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ?" He said, "No, it is from my own self."
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5355
In-book reference : Book 69, Hadith 5
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 64, Hadith 268
maha hebat "science"nya..
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Mana ayat Nabi Isa a.s. isytihar dirinya tuhan dan semua orang kena sembah dia? Mana?
Takkanlah pengisytiharan penting (status ketuhanan dia) takde disebut langsung dengan jelas dalam bible?
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Ha ha ... tak salah baca bible
- Baca bible rosak akidah? No
- Baca bible jadik kristian? No
- Baca bible akan paham christianity? Yes
Tu pasal aku kata , biblical Jesus adalah unitarian & tak ada konsep trinitarian dlm bible
john17:1-3 (bible NIV)
1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.
2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Kepada sapa biblical Jesus sembah & mintak doa? Kepada Father ;
- bukan trinity
- bukan holy spirit
- bukan ke diri dia sendiri
Tapi si clueless cikgu chazey tu boleh tanya pulak Jesus dihantar sebagai apa tapi dia tak sedar yg Jesus sembah kepada Father saja.
Ayat ini aje dah hancurkan konsep trinity.
This is interesting , ayat 3 :
they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
- Jesus : yg diutus oleh Father
Syahadah : لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا ٱلله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ ٱلله (There is no god but Allah. Muhammad is the messenger of God)
Besar tak beza antara joh17:3 & syahadah?
Kah kah kah .... tu pasal aku kata , kalo baca bible secara objective , biblical Jesus bukan tuhan & tak ada konsep trinity
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Post time 11-2-2018 04:25 PM
