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Inkues Kematian Adib, UPDATED #506, Dakwa segera pembunuh Adib
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Serangan tak boleh di tentukan dgn post mortem ....sebab serangan berlaku ketika mangsa masih hidup lagi , dan serangan tak semestinya menyebabkan kematian atau kecederaan , tapi masih masuk kategori serangan apabila terdapat pihak yg menyerang ....
so perlukan bukti witnes yg melihat dan mengalami serangan tu sendiri (hazim) , serta gambar hasil serangan yg berlaku ( cermin kereta bomba remuk) serta video ketika kejadian tu berlaku ( berlambak2 haih yg tunjuk jelas bomba di serang perusuh)
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nih akta "assault" menurut undang2 malaysia......
bukannya boleh belek badan mayat ketika post mortem haih utk tentukan seseorang di assault atau tidak , kerana perbuatan menyerang itu berlaku ketika hidup sebelum kecederaan atau kematian berlaku pun .
Kecederaan atau kematian hanya end result of serangan , ada faham ?
tapi serangan tu sendiri ketika berlaku tak semestinya akan menyebabkan kecederaan atau kematian tapi masih tetap boleh di caj sebagai melakukan serangan apabila boleh di buktikan pergerakan serangan tu memang di buat.
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Laws of Malaysia: Act 574
Penal Code Section 351 Assault
351. Whoever makes any gesture or any preparation, intending or knowing it to be likely that such gesture or preparation will cause any person present to apprehend that he who makes that gesture or preparation is about to use criminal force to that person, is said to commit an assault.
Explanation—Mere words do not amount to an assault. But the words which a person uses may give to his gestures or preparation such a meaning as may make those gestures or preparations amount to an assault.
ILLUSTRATIONS
(a) A shakes his fist at Z, intending or knowing it to be likely that he may thereby cause Z to believe that A is about to strike Z. A has committed an assault.
(b) A begins to unloose the muzzle of a ferocious dog, intending or knowing it to be likely that he may thereby cause Z to believe that he is about to cause the dog to attack Z. A has committed an assault upon Z.
(c) A takes up a stick, saying to Z, “I will give you a beating”. Here, though the words used by A could in no case amount to an assault, and though the mere gesture, unaccompanied by any other circumstances might not amount to an assault, the gesture explained by the words may amount to an assault.
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yg jadi mangsa serangan tak semestinya mati , mcm hazim tuh dok hidup tapi dia tetap mangsa serangan , adib mati tapi tetap mangsa serangan jugaklah kerana kedua2 depa di serang teruk lalu perlu menyelamatkan diri dlm keadaan tergesa2, sorang hidup sorang cedera teruk lalu mati , dua2 tetap mangsa serangan .
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Syd replied at 1-4-2019 05:32 PM
'Adib mungkin hilang ingatan'
ISNIN, 1 APRIL 2019 @ 5:15 PM
Nnti ramai meroyan cakap doktor ijn jugak telah dibeli sbb cakap adib hilang ingatan. Semua org lah dah dibeli sbb keputusan xsama dgan apa yg mereka nak. |
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NURMIMIE replied at 1-4-2019 06:28 PM
mcm yang ai cakap sebelum nih pada thread awal2 tu (sebelum inkues)..
masa arwah meninggal, bom ...
Kenapa bomba xnak bedah siasat? Bomba cuba sembunyikan sesuatu ka? |
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Baju seragam adib patutnya ada pada CSI utk di simpan sebagai evidence utk jadi bahan bukti kelak , bukan boleh serah balik kat ahli bomba plak utk di basuh..... yg pi serah kat yg tak sepatutnya mula2 tu lah yg salah ..... pihak SJMC atau IJN yg mula2 pegang baju tu ? Perlu tentukan sapa yg mula2 handle baju tu .
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GegarVaganja replied at 2-4-2019 09:20 AM
Ni Ganja tak tau la betul ka tak.
Sebab selalu tengok series lawyer je kan
Supposed kalau spe ...
Sejak bila specialist tu buat conclusion? Dia hanya memberitahu penemuan dia berdasarkan bedah siasatan yg dilakukan, dan penemuan ni diberitahu dalam inkues, bukan dalam perbicaraan pon. |
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Edited by blastoff at 2-4-2019 12:22 PM
Ni nampak conclusion di buat setelah post mortem yg adib tak di serang . Pehal pathologist tuh cuba memutarbelit undang2 sampai camtu tu sekali ?
Tugas dia check badan mayat kemudian laporkan je la apa yg dia temui di badan mayat tuh, sebaliknya dia dok pi teka2 lah plak apa berlaku kat tempat kejadian ketika rusuhan , itu bermakna dia melangkaui bidang tugas dia dah tu .
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Assumption Adib was assaulted dismissed after post-mortem
30 Mar 2019 / 08:49 H.
Filepix of KLH’s Forensic Medicine Department head Datuk Dr Mohd Shah Mahmood (L) and KLH’s medical forensics department officer Dr Ahmad Hafizam Hasmi.
SHAH ALAM: The initial assumption that injuries sustained by the late fireman Muhammad Adib Mohd Kassim was due to assault was dismissed after the post-mortem conducted by the Kuala Lumpur Hospital (KLH) Forensic Department on Dec 18, last year, the Coroner’s Court was told yesterday.
KLH’s Forensic Medicine Department head Datuk Dr Mohd Shah Mahmood, 59, said that at first, they were told by the police to conduct a clinical examination on the victim while he was being treated at the National Heart Institute (IJN).
The 27th witness said, they assumed the injuries suffered by the victim during the riots at the site of the Sri Maha Mariamman Temple, USJ 25, Subang Jaya on Nov 27, last year was caused by being attacked, like being beaten, kicked and punched.
“But, after the post-mortem we were not convinced the injuries pattern was the result of an assault. Luckily we were called early because we were able to differentiate the early and later injuries suffered by the deceased,” he said.
He said this when testifying at the 20th day of the inquest to determine the cause of the fireman’s death
“During the post-mortem, we were baffled as the seven broken ribs were not seen during the initial clinical check-up on Adib and as to why no prior information was given regarding the injury.
“After the post-mortem, we still cannot help the police in determining the cause of the injury. In this regard, the initial view that the victim had been attacked was dismissed by us,” he said.
He said his team only knew what might have happened to the deceased after visiting the scene of the incident.
Muhammad Adib, 24, who was a member of the Subang Jaya Fire and Rescue Station’s EMRS unit, was seriously injured during the riot incident last year. He succumbed to his injuries at the IJN on Dec 17.
Proceedings before Coroner Rofiah Mohamad will continue on Monday. — Bernama
https://www.thesundaily.my/local ... ost-mortem-
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blastoff replied at 2-4-2019 12:20 PM
Ni nampak conclusion di buat setelah post mortem yg adib tak di serang . Pehal pathologist tuh cub ...
“But, after the post-mortem we were not convinced the injuries pattern was the result of an assault. Luckily we were called early because we were able to differentiate the early and later injuries suffered by the deceased,” he said.
Tugas pakar forensik adalah membuat bedah siasat utk dapatkan sebab kematian. Pakar tersebut buat kenyataan berdasarkan dapatan hasil bedah siasat yg dilakukan dan dia cakap dia xyakin yg kecederaan dialami adib adalah disebabkan bekas pukulan. Kenyataan ni akan diambil oleh pihak mahkamah beserta hasil inkues yg lain utk menentukan keputusan kelak. Sejak bila pulak pakar tu decide apa2 keputusan? Kau sendiri xpaham fungsi inkues dijalankan, kau sendiri meroyan tuduh doktor tu dah buat keputusan.
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Edited by blastoff at 2-4-2019 03:27 PM
Nampak tu , "was dismissed" makna di tolak hokay. Assault makna serangan ....... jadi sebab "serangan" telah pun di tolak dah oleh pakar forensik hasil dari post mortem dan lawatan ke tempat kejadian lepas segalanya dah tarak kat situ . Keputusan dah di buat utk tolak yg adib di serang dan keputusan di buat oleh pakar forensik.
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The initial assumption that injuries sustained by the late fireman Muhammad Adib Mohd Kassim was due to assault was dismissed after the post-mortem conducted by the Kuala Lumpur Hospital (KLH) Forensic Department on Dec 18, last year, the Coroner’s Court was told yesterday.
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Edited by blastoff at 2-4-2019 03:25 PM
assault makna serangan , was assaulted makna telah di serang ..... perlu ikut undang2 lah penafsirannya. Bukan tugas pathologist utk tentukan dia diserang atau tidak ..... sebab serangan tak perlu membabitkan pemukulan tubuh betoi2 utk bergelar serangan . Kereta bomba remuk cermin depan tu lah tunjukkan serangan berlaku, video tunjukkan kereta bomba tengah di serang lah tunjukkan serangan benar2 berlaku . Pengakuan hazim yg dia di serang tu pun bukti jelas serangan berlaku . 3 perkara nih adalah bukti kukuh serangan benar2 berlaku ke atas kesemua ahli bomba yg ada di tempat rusuhan tu termasuk adib
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Edited by blastoff at 2-4-2019 03:22 PM
yg buat post mortem ke atas adib kata adib patah 7 tempat yg tak di jumpai ketika dia buat clinical exam pada adib waktu adib di treat di IJN ....
camna plak patah tujuh tempat tu boleh dikatakan berlaku di tempat rusuhan kalau jumpa hanya selepas buat post mortem tapi tidak ketika ct scan di IJN ? Bermakna patah tu berlaku sesudah mati lah tu atau selepas ct scan di IJN . Bukan ketika di tempat rusuhan sebab tu di IJN 7 patah tu tak wujud pun pada mulanya .
tempat rusuhan ke SJMC ke IJN ke post mortem ....itu rentetannya
kalau dah ketika di IJN tarak patah tu tapi ke post mortem ada , makna lepas mati lah patah tu berlaku atau ketika masih di IJN selepas segala scan di buat sebab tu tak leh detect ketika ct scan di IJN .
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pakar forensik tak sepatutnya "dismiss" adib di "assault" ok . Dlm inquest itu tak patut berlaku .
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Edited by dodolgemok at 2-4-2019 05:46 PM
blastoff replied at 2-4-2019 03:05 PM
Nampak tu , "was dismissed" makna di tolak hokay. Assault makna serangan ....... jadi sebab "seran ...
Mmg lah dia dismissed berdasarkan apa yg dia jmpa dalam bedah siasat dia buat . Dia cakap berdasarkan kapasiti dia sebagai pakar forensik. Xkan lah dia jmpa A, dia nak bagitau B pulak. Kalau nak bangkang, bagi lah fakta yg menyatakan sebaliknya. Dan terpulanglah kd pihak mahkamah utk tentu kan samada nak buat keputusan macam mana nnti. Yg penting pakar tersebut dh bgtau hasil dapatan dia. Benda simple cmni pon kau nk pusing ke? Samalah macam saksi2 lain, dia nmpak apa dia bgtau la mahkamah. |
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Edited by blastoff at 3-4-2019 10:00 AM
hasil dapatan dia cuma apa yg ada di tubuh mayat saja .....sedangkan yg dia dismiss tu adalah apa yg berlaku di tempat kejadian yg membabitkan pergerakan perusuh2 tu yg bukan bidang kuasa dia nak tentukan depa assault atau tidak . Tau beza dak antara keduanya ?
Ketika melarikan diri tu adib boleh je jatuh kerana tersadung lalu berlaku hentaman ke dada kerana terjatuh tu , dia still mangsa assault walau perusuh2 tu tak sentuh dia pun ...ada faham ? So apa ada di badan mayat tak boleh tentukan dia di assault atau tidak .
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hazim rakan adib tu mangsa assault lah tapi dia masih hidup .... adib mati , tetap mangsa assault ... badan depa cedera ke idak bukan faktor utk tentukan depa di assault atau tidak ..tapi pergerakan perusuh2 tu menuju ke arah depa dgn berbagai senjata tu lah penentunya yg mereka memang assault ahli2 bomba yg ada situ .
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Edited by blastoff at 3-4-2019 10:11 AM
kena faham akta serangan , dari penakrifan undang2 cedera kat badan atau tanda2 yg terdapat pada mayat bukan penentu assault ke idak .... itu masuk akta lain , akta menyebabkan kecederaan , atau akta bunuh...akta serangan lain hokay
Sekarang ni AG guna inquest utk melepaskan perusuh2 tu dari akta serangan . Sebab tu dia cuba spin undang2 dgn minta yg buat post mortem buat kesimpulan adib tak di serang.
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utk senang kau faham, kalau org serang kau , kau berjaya melarikan diri tanpa tercedera pun, tapi org itu tetap boleh di caj under akta assault tu ...ada faham ? Walau kau tak cedera /mati sekalipun . Yg penting kau perlu membuktikan serangan tu wujud, pergerakan penyerang ke arah kau tu benar2 berlaku ....
Jadi post mortem tak perlu untuk buktikan serangan berlaku .
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tak perlu tunggu post mortem utk buktikan adib di serang .....
dah cukup dgn saksi hazim tu yg turut alami serangan tu beserta dgn pemandu2 kereta bomba tu pun saksi yg alami sendiri jugak serangan tu , keadaan kereta bomba yg remuk di cermin depan dgn kesan hentakan berkali2 serta video di tempat rusuhan yg perlihatkan serangan ke atas kereta2 bomba memang benar2 di buat oleh perusuh2 tu .
Bukti2 nih dah masuk kategori beyond reasonable doubt utk boleh menyabitkan perusuh2 yg buat serangan tu .
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Pathologist Tu pun deny mati sbb kena langgar, masalahnya masa buat autopsy kesan kena pijak pada rusuk dah hilang. Of course la dia tak boleh tie up the evidence. Possibly masa kena pijak Ada benda nipis Dan keras Kat belakang rusuk kiri menyebabkan belakang rusuk kiri patah. By right kalau dpt kesan tapak kasut boleh tahu jenis kasut, saiz, Tinggi, definitely boleh zoom in kepada org yg pijak. Kalau Tanya saksi mmg la sorang pun tak nmpk dah saksi pun perusuh hahaha hahaha hahaha |
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