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Edited by capiloton at 28-3-2020 07:38 PM

as a critical thinker, we need to question everything.
thread ni open for discussion for another perspective of this virus.

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The Corona Hoax - How The Whole World Was Fooled Into Impoverishment and Enslavement Overnight

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 Author| Post time 28-3-2020 06:40 PM | Show all posts
Edited by capiloton at 28-3-2020 07:43 PM

DAVID ICKE - THE TRUTH BEHIND THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC: COVID-19 LOCKDOWN & THE ECONOMIC CRASH





bawah ni full version 2 hours video,
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https://londonreal.tv/the-truth-behind-the-coronavirus-pandemic-covid-19-lockdown-the-economic-crash-david-icke/
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 Author| Post time 28-3-2020 06:42 PM | Show all posts
syeikh dah sebut pasal this, long before virus muncul di wuhan.



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 Author| Post time 28-3-2020 07:02 PM | Show all posts
12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic (Mar 24, 2020)



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 Author| Post time 28-3-2020 07:08 PM | Show all posts
Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.


Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology, politician and former chairman of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. In 2009 he called for an inquiry into alleged conflicts of interest surrounding the EU response to the Swine Flu pandemic.

What he says:

Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things.

We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”

That’s missing.


Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University, former Chief Public Health Officer for Manitoba province and Medical Director of the International Centre for Infectious Diseases.

What he says:

I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.

[…]

I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that.

[…]

In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective


Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences. He is director of the Stanford Prevention Research Center, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS).

He is also the editor-in-chief of the European Journal of Clinical Investigation. He was chairman at the Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Ioannina School of Medicine as well as adjunct professor at Tufts University School of Medicine.

As a physician, scientist and author he has made contributions to evidence-based medicine, epidemiology, data science and clinical research. In addition, he pioneered the field of meta-research. He has shown that much of the published research does not meet good scientific standards of evidence.

What he says:

Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

[…]

Could the Covid-19 case fatality rate be that low? No, some say, pointing to the high rate in elderly people. However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes.

[…]

If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average.


Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry. He also worked as Associate Dean of the Tel Aviv University Medical School and during the 1980s presented the science-based television show Tatzpit.

What he says:

Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.

[…]

In every country, more people die from regular flu compared with those who die from the coronavirus.

[…]

…there is a very good example that we all forget: the swine flu in 2009. That was a virus that reached the world from Mexico and until today there is no vaccination against it. But what? At that time there was no Facebook or there maybe was but it was still in its infancy. The coronavirus, in contrast, is a virus with public relations.

Whoever thinks that governments end viruses is wrong.


Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy.

What he says:

We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years.

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In Italy, one in ten people diagnosed die, according to the findings of the Science publication, that is statistically one of every 1,000 people infected. Each individual case is tragic, but often – similar to the flu season – it affects people who are at the end of their lives.

[…]

If we close the schools, we will prevent the children from quickly becoming immune.

[…]

We should better integrate the scientific facts into the political decisions.
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 Author| Post time 28-3-2020 07:13 PM | Show all posts
Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association.

What he says:

I’m not a fan of lockdown. Anyone who imposes something like this must also say when and how to pick it up again. Since we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown.

– INTERVIEW IN GENERAL ANZEIGER, 18TH MARCH 2020


Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist. He is professor of virology, and the director of the Institute of Virology and HIV Research, at Bonn University.

What he says:

The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous.

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You also have to take into account that the Sars-CoV-2 deaths in Germany were exclusively old people. In Heinsberg, for example, a 78-year-old man with previous illnesses died of heart failure, and that without Sars-2 lung involvement. Since he was infected, he naturally appears in the Covid 19 statistics. But the question is whether he would not have died anyway, even without Sars-2.


Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement, Assistance Publique-Hôpitaux de Marseille, conducting a peer-reviewed study on Coronavirus mortality for the government of France under the ‘Investments for the Future’ programme.

What they say:

The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.

[…]

This study compared the mortality rate of SARS-CoV-2 in OECD countries (1.3%) with the mortality rate of common coronaviruses identified in AP-HM patients (0.8%) from 1 January 2013 to 2 March 2020. Chi-squared test was performed, and the P-value was 0.11 (not significant).

[…]

…it should be noted that systematic studies of other coronaviruses (but not yet for SARS-CoV-2) have found that the percentage of asymptomatic carriers is equal to or even higher than the percentage of symptomatic patients. The same data for SARS-CoV-2 may soon be available, which will further reduce the relative risk associated with this specific pathology.

– “SARS-COV-2: FEAR VERSUS DATA”, INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF ANTIMICROBIAL AGENTS, 19TH MARCH 2020


Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center

What he says:

I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order.

– “IS OUR FIGHT AGAINST CORONAVIRUS WORSE THAN THE DISEASE?”, NEW YORK TIMES 20TH MARCH 2020


Michael T. Osterholm is regents professor and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

What he says:

Consider the effect of shutting down offices, schools, transportation systems, restaurants, hotels, stores, theaters, concert halls, sporting events and other venues indefinitely and leaving all of their workers unemployed and on the public dole. The likely result would be not just a depression but a complete economic breakdown, with countless permanently lost jobs, long before a vaccine is ready or natural immunity takes hold.

[…]

[T]he best alternative will probably entail letting those at low risk for serious disease continue to work, keep business and manufacturing operating, and “run” society, while at the same time advising higher-risk individuals to protect themselves through physical distancing and ramping up our health-care capacity as aggressively as possible. With this battle plan, we could gradually build up immunity without destroying the financial structure on which our lives are based.

– “FACING COVID-19 REALITY: A NATIONAL LOCKDOWN IS NO CURE”, WASHINGTON POST 21ST MARCH 2020


Dr Peter Goetzsche is Professor of Clinical Research Design and Analysis at the University of Copenhagen and founder of the Cochrane Medical Collaboration. He has written several books on corruption in the field of medicine and the power of big pharmaceutical companies.

What he says:

Our main problem is that no one will ever get in trouble for measures that are too draconian. They will only get in trouble if they do too little. So, our politicians and those working with public health do much more than they should do.

No such draconian measures were applied during the 2009 influenza pandemic, and they obviously cannot be applied every winter, which is all year round, as it is always winter somewhere. We cannot close down the whole world permanently.

Should it turn out that the epidemic wanes before long, there will be a queue of people wanting to take credit for this. And we can be damned sure draconian measures will be applied again next time. But remember the joke about tigers. “Why do you blow the horn?” “To keep the tigers away.” “But there are no tigers here.” “There you see!”

– “CORONA: AN EPIDEMIC OF MASS PANIC”, BLOG POST ON DEADLY MEDICINES 21ST MARCH 2020
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 Author| Post time 28-3-2020 07:14 PM | Show all posts
source di bawah

12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic

https://www.globalresearch.ca/12 ... virus-panic/5707532
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Post time 28-3-2020 07:15 PM | Show all posts
akak curious kenapa negara india indonesia belum meletus?
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Post time 28-3-2020 07:44 PM | Show all posts


another perspective.. tapi bagi kaka virus ni cepat merebak tu je.
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 Author| Post time 28-3-2020 08:21 PM | Show all posts
CiliPadiSedap replied at 28-3-2020 07:44 PM
another perspective.. tapi bagi kaka virus ni cepat merebak tu je.

thanks. teruskan share info especially from medical people and scientist perspective.


bila aku tengok balik benda ni semua, aku teringat cerita V, 1983 mini series.
medical people juga yang expose the hidden agenda.
the scientist yg try to reveal the truth, they are being hunted down.
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Post time 28-3-2020 08:31 PM | Show all posts
capiloton replied at 28-3-2020 08:21 PM
thanks. teruskan share info especially from medical people and scientist perspective.

matlamat dia org apa? vaksin? or ekonomi? or apa? takkan lah mereka nak setup pandemic sesuka hati? for most ada american punya politician dah jual stock market sebelum covid19 secara besar besaran. seolah olah tahu insider info
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 Author| Post time 28-3-2020 08:41 PM | Show all posts
How Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg sees the current Corona pandemic



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 Author| Post time 28-3-2020 08:47 PM | Show all posts
boleh click subtitle.

Corona virus COVID-19- hype and hysteria? Demystification of the nightmare!


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 Author| Post time 28-3-2020 08:55 PM | Show all posts
A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19

Published: March 14, 2020; Updated: March 28, 2020
Languages: DE, EN, FR, ES, HU, IT, NL, NO, PL, RU

A Swiss medical doctor provided the following information on the current situation in order to enable our readers to make a realistic risk assessment. (Daily updates below)

According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old.

80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.

Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

The Italian Institute of Health moreover distinguishes between those who died from the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. In many cases it is not yet clear whether the persons died from the virus or from their pre-existing chronic diseases or from a combination of both.

The two Italians deceased under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases).

The partial overloading of the hospitals is due to the general rush of patients and the increased number of patients requiring special or intensive care. In particular, the aim is to stabilize respiratory function and, in severe cases, to provide anti-viral therapies.

(Update: The Italian National Institute of Health published a statistical report on test-positive patients and deceased, confirming the above data.)

The doctor also points out the following aspects:

Northern Italy has one of the oldest populations and the worst air quality in Europe, which had already led to an increased number of respiratory diseases and deaths in the past and is likely an additional risk factor in the current epidemic.

South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients.

The few dozen test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of more than 80 years and a maximum age of 97 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known.

Furthermore, studies have shown that the internationally used virus test kits may give a false positive result in some cases. In these cases, the persons may not have contracted the new coronavirus, but presumably one of the many existing human coronaviruses that are part of the annual (and currently ongoing) common cold and flu epidemics. (1)

Thus the most important indicator for judging the danger of the disease is not the frequently reported number of positively-tested persons and deaths, but the number of persons actually and unexpectedly developing or dying from pneumonia (so-called excess mortality).

According to all current data, for the healthy general population of school and working age, a mild to moderate course of the Covid-19 disease can be expected. Senior citizens and persons with existing chronic diseases should be protected. The medical capacities should be optimally prepared.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
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CiliPadiSedap replied at 28-3-2020 08:31 PM
matlamat dia org apa? vaksin? or ekonomi? or apa? takkan lah mereka nak setup pandemic sesuka hati ...

motif dan agenda sebenar aku tak pasti.yang penting sekarang cari info from the right source sebanyak mungkin,
n then baru boleh buat kesimpulan.

tapi apa yang pasti Federal Reserve dah buat duit from this panic.
mereka dah keluar kan bond (LOAN) 1.5 TRILLION to gomen US.
US people will need to pay them back, with interest of course.

Big Pharma is about to make trillions when they "discover" the vaccine.

More government restriction and loss of civil rights.
check social credit system in china,
dan Netflix Black Mirror series, Nosedive.
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Post time 28-3-2020 09:17 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
capiloton replied at 28-3-2020 09:10 PM
motif dan agenda sebenar aku tak pasti.yang penting sekarang cari info from the right source seban ...

Kalau nak cakap ekonomi? Freemason dh pegang ekonomi. I think mungkin ada matlamat lain mereka nak
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 Author| Post time 28-3-2020 09:28 PM | Show all posts
CiliPadiSedap replied at 28-3-2020 09:17 PM
Kalau nak cakap ekonomi? Freemason dh pegang ekonomi. I think mungkin ada matlamat lain mereka nak

try tengok video David Icke kat atas tu.
dia ada mention pasal komen Prince Charles lepas balik dari World Economic Forum in Davos.

ini meeting cuma 1% elite saja yang di jemput datang.
dia ada sebut something about 2030.
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Post time 28-3-2020 09:34 PM | Show all posts
capiloton replied at 28-3-2020 09:28 PM
try tengok video David Icke kat atas tu.
dia ada mention pasal komen Prince Charles lepas balik d ...

kalau ikut charting master trader stock market sifu kaka, dia predict 2021 economy crash, sebab perang or apa saja.  chart candlestick akan tinggalkan history pattern, dia guna elliot wave dan kaka boleh katakan 90% accurate dan ada time zone dia cipta sendiri. petronas pun guna consultant dia. dia member of MATA malaysia technical analysis

kiranya dia punya prediction 2021 akan berlaku big things. jadi client2 dia mesti dah prepare untuk economy krisis. kalau betul ramalan dia akak follow kelas dia lagi


ada 3 jenis orang boleh meramal:
> gifted
> technical analysis, professor, or cendekiawan yang banyak study baca buku ( mereka ni jerung2 yang control market price atau pun boleh sharp entry)
> last sekali pengikut dajjal top 1% control new order

kita tak perlu taksub freemason atau apa, cukup sekadar tahu, sebab taksub sangat nanti tengok mata satu nampak dajjal. walhal mereka memang ada cuma kita jaga diri sendiri family kita.



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Post time 28-3-2020 09:35 PM | Show all posts
so kepada kawan2 baca thread ni, my sifu predict 2021 akan berlaku global impact economy. make sure you all prepare.

benda ni i dh reminder since 2018 dalam forum... kalau siapa baca komen kaka yang lepas2 akan tahu.
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Post time 28-3-2020 09:38 PM | Show all posts
capiloton replied at 28-3-2020 09:10 PM
motif dan agenda sebenar aku tak pasti.yang penting sekarang cari info from the right source seban ...

black miror tu bukan lucah ke? mandi tepi pantai tengok mangkuk hayun make love
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