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Kawasan-kawasan bandar didominasi oleh komuniti Bukan Melayu? Benarkah begitu, f
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Btw, kat forum ni x leh letak emoji ek? I letak emoji x kuar |
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I.am.PH replied at 2-7-2020 11:59 AM
Ayamm...
Pecahan kaum di Ipoh/ Taiping / Georgetown / Batu Kawan / Bandar Melaka tanak tunjuk ke..
Jangan nak menipu sangat yee... |
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artikel syok sendiri..hahaha |
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Krik ... krik ... krik
Yoo hooo @kemaruk
Sudah malu ka? Tak reti baca data ka?
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@FanTasyCreaTioN
Sila tunjuk kepada kat mana dia , post#24
(1) Name calling
(2) Personal atack
Kalo kata
- 'macai totok UMNO/BN' bermakna ko kena ambil tindakan yang sama kalo ada 'DAPigs'
- personal attack sorang to Melayu , tersebut adalah definisi DBP
- personal attack tentang 'atheist' lepas tu 'agnostic' tersebut adalah pengakuan mamat tu
I detect inconsistency in you
Jelaskan pendirian ko ....
LOOL ... jangan pulak ko penyokong UMNO/BN & aku tak sokong dah jadik issue |
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sarah82 replied at 2-7-2020 11:29 AM
Sejak thread dia tak dapat sambutan.. Gigih dia buka poll nak bagi org baca thread dia
aku ingat dia dah mati masa pandemik hari tu
rupnya salin kulit jaaaa
pastu pndemik habis dia menggila balik
like saitonnirojim sangat perangai
provoke sana sini, tapi nampak jua ke”stupidan” dia |
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Tak perlu mengadu
Inconsistency is a sign of failure
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Edited by mbhcsf at 3-7-2020 12:44 PM
Why is it important to debunk these myths?
Firstly, public policy must be designed based on updated statistics and facts, not based on mistaken narratives. For example, if govt policy were to be aimed at helping the marginalized Bumiputera communities, it would be a mistake to focus the majority of resources in the rural areas since the majority of Bumiputeras actually live in the urban areas.
This is also why we need to update our measures of poverty, especially urban poverty, to properly capture the Bumiputera households which fall into this category and not pretend that we do not have any urban poor using outdated statistical measures.
Secondly, believing these myths would lead one to ignore the significant progress made in the creation of a vibrant Bumiputera middle class in Malaysia over the past decades.
Thirdly, we need to understand these facts in order to know what policies have succeeded and what policies have failed in the past. For example, would more middle and high income households in the Bumiputera community have been created if there was less crony capitalism and more transparency in the creation of capable Bumiputera entrepreneurs and professionals?
Only with an honest appraisal of the facts and figures (and not relying to myths and mistaken narratives) can we answer these questions and find the right policy responses.
Dr. Ong Kian Ming is Member of Parliament for Bangi and Assistant Political Education Director for the Democratic Action Party (DAP).
WHEN WAS THE RECENT CENSUS TAKEN? 2012?
THEN 2014
WHAT THIS IS 2020
then - to check on the ' POLICIES' oh
yerrr right
that is why - when your menteri kewayangn at MOF - he was realllllllllllllly busy
checking ups : PNB, Khazanah and TABUNG HAJI - yes Thirdly, we need to understand these facts in order to know what policies have succeeded and what policies have failed in the past. For example, would more middle and high income households in the Bumiputera community have been created if there was less crony capitalism and more transparency in the creation of capable Bumiputera entrepreneurs and professionals?
Only with an honest appraisal of the facts and figures (and not relying to myths and mistaken narratives) can we answer these questions and find the right policy responses.
and Tun M said nothing...
cont education policies on MARA and diversify the roles of MARA - macam PH dulu dia contraint sikit MARA ni kan?
ade sapa cakap.
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adelea replied at 3-7-2020 12:15 PM
aku ingat dia dah mati masa pandemik hari tu
rupnya salin kulit jaaaa
Mana boleh hilang.. Kalau dia diam..DAP takkan bayar gaji dia.. Tu yg pulun provoke sana sini |
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aku bukan macam politaik, lantak kauorang lah nak bergasak..
tapi research macam ni agak misleading, tak gitu?
kalau ini isu sebanar yang diutarakan, macam yang kau copy paste ni: There is a narrative which has been perpetuated for many years that the majority of the Malay community still live in rural areas and that the urban areas are dominated by the non-Malays, especially the Chinese.
jadi apa point fact #2 ni: Fact 2: The majority of the largest parliament seats are located in urban areas with Malay voters being the plurality or the majority.
tak ada kena-mengena kan? apa nak dibuktikan dengan fact #2 tu..
almondpecan (post #30) pun utarakan soalan yang bijak..
kalau ianya pasal nak betulkan myth, cara dibetulkan tu agak misleading kerana tak buat seperti mana yang almondpecan tulis tu..
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Edited by sam1528 at 3-7-2020 02:06 PM
Pergi solat Jumaat pon kena tahan kat gate , quota dah habis
Aku jawab kat ko lah
What is sooo misleading about the narrative by Dr Ong?
2 big myths - oft repeated by Tun M & UMNO/BN
(1) melayu are concentrated in rural & semi-rural areas
(2) chinese are wealthy people
(1) population demography dah bertukar
Kalo kita tengok stats yang diberi , melayu dah berlambak kat kawasan urban - ni tak boleh dinafikan
Baca baik2 point2 : Fact 2: The majority of the largest parliament seats are located in urban areas with Malay voters being the plurality or the majority
Dicatat 'largest parliment seats' : dah bagi pon senarai tersebut kat table 1 (semua kecuali 4 adalah majoriti & plurality melayu) , semuanya population > 100k (ie. concentration of people)
Ada argument tentang kerusi parliment kat Penang yang majoriti kaum cina tapi kawasan2 parlimen tersebut semuanya <100k - jadik argument ni tersasar jauh dari point Dr Ong
Simple aje point dia : Sekarang majoriti kat kawasan parliment bandar yang > 100K adalah melayu bukan cina
(2) Dr Ong bagi a very simple example iaitu survey household income dengan RM10K keatas cutoff point untuk T20
Lagi sekali , in absolute numbers , household Melayu berlambak dalam category T20 - bukti yang ada (banyak) Melayu dalam T20
Bermakna adalah mitos Melayu tak ada yang 'well to do' berbanding dengan cina
- almondpecan nak median pendapatan melayu vs cina dalam T20 tu - tersebut adalah perbandingan yang lebih terperinci
- dia nak compare median pendapatan sekali dengan distribution pendapatan reference kat the median
Tak perlu Dr Ong buat sedemikian pasal result survey T20 dah jelaskan kedudukan melayu dalam T20
Pasal apa Dr Ong klaim untuk 'debunk' mitos tersebut? Dia dah bagi pon jawapan :
Firstly, public policy must be designed based on updated statistics and facts, not based on mistaken narratives. For example, if govt policy were to be aimed at helping the marginalized Bumiputera communities, it would be a mistake to focus the majority of resources in the rural areas since the majority of Bumiputeras actually live in the urban areas.
This is also why we need to update our measures of poverty, especially urban poverty, to properly capture the Bumiputera households which fall into this category and not pretend that we do not have any urban poor using outdated statistical measures.
Secondly, believing these myths would lead one to ignore the significant progress made in the creation of a vibrant Bumiputera middle class in Malaysia over the past decades.
Thirdly, we need to understand these facts in order to know what policies have succeeded and what policies have failed in the past. For example, would more middle and high income households in the Bumiputera community have been created if there was less crony capitalism and more transparency in the creation of capable Bumiputera entrepreneurs and professionals?
Isu simple aje : camno nak implement policy kalo tak ada data tapi bersandarkan mitos?
Pasal apa Tun M/UMNO/BN dok perlekeh pencapaian Melayu ke middle class ni (ie. melayu miskin & cina kaya)? Senang aje - untuk perbodohkan melayu supaya depa dapat undi
Tak percaya?
Tengok aje perangai macai2 totok UMNO/BN kat sini - apa2 isu dorang akan create a situation of frenzy -'hidup melayu' lah , 'hapuskan cina' lah , 'ini tanah melayu' lah , 'bangsa lain berambus' lah ... masa tu dah tak boleh cakap secara rasional ... berkobar2 semangat nak hancurkan bangsa lain pasal percaya mitos yang melayu akan dihancurkan
Bila kena sound ... tak habis2 ratib 'DAPig' lah , 'RBA' lah , tapi tak pulak mengaku segelintir kat sini adalah cybertrooper berbayar UMNO/BN
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aku pun tak paham gak sbb voters ni ikut alamat dalam ic. macam majoriti geng2 pantai timur yg berhijrah kat bandar2 ni mmg alamat diorg kekal kt pantai timur sbb nak balik ngundi. kene pakai statistik dr bancian baru btul2 bleh pakai
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aku rasa kalau statistik pasal penduduk ni, ko kene pakai data dari banci baru btul. sbb voters ni ikut alamat ic. mcm aku la, aku duk penang and perlis masa pru lepas tp sebab aku ic masih alamat kt tmpt aku membesar yakni perak, aku still balik perak. thn ni thn bancian, bancian ni 10 thn skali, ha ni baru ko leh nampak mcm mane taburan penduduk kt malaysia ni
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orang bijak macam kita boleh nampak seimbas lalu je propaganda camni |
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bangkem faham, orang yang bijak macam kita akan tetap pertahankan kebenaran instead of pendirian politic
bak kata pepatah "it insults my intelligence" kalau percaya propaganda murahan begini
untuk tipu orang kurang berpelajaran boleh la
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Edited by ~boolean at 3-7-2020 04:06 PM
Tapi memang betullah lah melayu/bumiputera lagi miskin kalau hanya 280K saja bumi T20 sedangkan bumi adalah 67.4% dari populasi malaysia..
Cina T20 254K sedangkan cina hanya 24% dari populasi malaysia..lebih ramai cina kaya berbanding melayu kaya..
73% bumi B40 dan hanya 17% cina B40...
walaupun melayu majoriti di bandar, tapi miskin.
Soalnya kenapa melayu banyak miskin di bandar? pecahan gaji yang tak sekata antara kaum? ketakseimbangan dari segi pekerjaan? Aku rasa ini yang patut si Ong tu tumpukan lepas tu barulah boleh dia nak gebang pasal polisi dan sebagainya...
dan faktor ni lah UMNO/BN gunakan untuk mainkan sentimen kaum/cina kaya melayu miskin dsbg sebab kalau nak ikutkan memang betul pun..
Lagipun bukankah lebih afdal kalau fact #2 tu ikut populasi district, bukan ikut jumlah voter? Tak gitu?
kalau gunakan berdasarkan parliament seats voters, dah memang2 gombak, bangi, kemamam dsbg memang asal2 azali dah ramai melayu...dah lah tu pula sesetengah kawasan tu bukannya kawasan termaju pun,..jadi bila dia gunakan berdasarkan voters aku macam eh, so?
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Kalo ada banci sekali pon
Fakta tak lari ... melayu dah berlambak kat urban areas
The numbers will go up , not down
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Edited by sam1528 at 3-7-2020 07:30 PM
Nombor 280K tu adalah dari survey tersebut
Bukan keseluruhan , banyak lagi kot tapi tak boleh lawan cina , peratusan depa dalam bracket T20 : sekarang dok cakap pasal peratus atau absolute figures?
Ambil dari segi positif kena compete dengan depa
Masuk university sama - keluar dengan keputusan yang sama : tak kan melayu tak mampu compete dengan cina / india
Tapi bukan dengan cara pembohongan yang cina kononnya akan ambil alih Malaysia sepertimana UMNO/BN/PAS dok ratib
Macai2 totok ni percaya pulak - bila panggil bodoh depa marah
Tak payah Dr Ong nak buat kajian terperinci macam kesamarataan gaji etc , kalo dah kat B40 tu , depa perlu lah pertolongan
Apa pertolongan? Depa kena bagi tau lah ... cannot solve everything for everyone
BTW , hang tau tak Dasar Ekonomi Baru (DEB) bukan hanya untuk golongan bumiputera?
Orang yang mula2 cakap pasal DEB ni adalah sorang loyar - James Puthucheary , salah satu dari pengasas PAP (kat S'pore) tapi kena tendang keluar S'pore oleh Lee Kuan Yew. Yang tertarik kat idea dia masa tu adalah Abdullah Majid, Agoes Salim & Samad Ismail - semua geng Tun Razak
Writing in 1960, a key architect of the New Economic Policy (NEP), the late James J. Puthucheary, author of Ownership and Control in the Malayan Economy, made an astute observation about the troubles brewing within the seemingly idyllic setting of rural Malaya.
Ethnic Malay paddy farmers had found themselves trapped in a vicious cycle of low productivity and mounting debt. Defaults were widespread and the ensuing transfer of land to the hands of mostly ethnic Chinese creditors prompted the government to intervene.
In a bid to prevent land from changing hands through debt to non-Malays, the government introduced the Malay Reservation Ordinance. Unfortunately, this did nothing to solve the key underlying problem of low productivity. The farmers continued to default and the only difference was that the beneficiaries of the land were a small group of Malay elites.
Ni apa Dr Agoes Salim kata pada 2009 :
The New Economic Policy was a policy for all Malaysians; not just for the Malays. But we wanted to restructure the economy so that the Malays would come out of the rural agriculture sector into the commercial sector. We wanted Malay participation at all levels of economic activity. We wanted to uplift the Malays without reducing the position of the others. And this was supposed to be in a situation of growth. Not just sharing the existing cake, but the cake must grow, so that these people also have the opportunity to grow.
... We never thought that we would produce multi-billionaires. That was never the intention of the NEP. If some people can come up as everyone comes up, it’s okay. But it wasn’t supposed to be about some people getting contracts. We did say that we should have Malay millionaires just as we should have Chinese and Indian millionaires, but not so much so that you don’t have to do anything.
You must differentiate between dominance and domination. As Tun Dr Ismail said, “We want to be dominant, but we don’t want to dominate.” Dominant in the sense that we wanted the Malays to be everywhere; but not to dominate all the others. But we seem to be dominating; and I don’t think that’s healthy for the nation. It’s not about taking your share and not caring about the rest.
Kontrak mega2 atas angin kat kroni ni bukan dari & bukan objektif DEB
Macai2 totok UMNO/BN/PAS ni dok pikir pasal domination bukan dominance pasal tersebut adalah apa yang disuap oleh pemimpin depa
Tu pasal success is never acheived
Ni pulak kenyataan Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah bila dia cerita pasal James Puthucheary pada 2010
We must acknowledge that:1) Our political system has broken down in a way that cannot be salvaged by piecemeal reform. 2) Our public institutions are compromised by politics (most disturbingly by racial politics) and by money. This is to say they have become biased, inefficient and corrupt. 3) Our economy has stagnated. Our growth is based on the export of natural resources. Productivity remains low. We now lag our regional competitors in the quality of our people, when we were once leaders in the developing world. 4) Points 1) -3), regardless of official denials and mainstream media spin, is common knowledge. As a result, confidence is at an all time low. We are suffering debilitating levels of brain and capital drain.
... The NEP is the opposite of New. It is defunct and is no longer an official government policy because it was replaced by the New Development Policy (another old “new” policy) in 1991. The “NEP” was brought back in its afterlife as a slogan by the leadership of UMNO Youth in 2004. It was and remains the most low-cost way to portray oneself as a Malay champion.
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The NEP was a unity policy. Nowhere in its terms was any race specified. It has been reinvented as an inalienable platform of a Malay Agenda that at one and the same time asserts Malay supremacy and perpetuates the myth of Malay dependency.
Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah , orang yang paling senior kat UMNO , mengaku yang DEB dah dihijack & ditukar ke platform dimana pemimpin UMNO/BN gunakan untuk kononnya 'ketuanan melayu' ... ye lah kononnya champion untuk melayu - politik murahan
Lagi sekali macai2 totok UMNO/BN/PAS percaya bulat2 tanpa apa2 pemikiran kritis
Macam aku kata lah : bila depa tak setuju depa akan create a situatuation of frenzy : 'hidup melayu' lah , 'hapuskan cina' lah , 'ini tanah melayu' lah , 'bangsa lain berambus' lah ... masa tu dah tak boleh cakap secara rasional ... berkobar2 semangat nak hancurkan bangsa lain pasal percaya mitos yang melayu akan dihancurkan
Bila kena sound ... tak habis2 ratib 'DAPig' lah , 'RBA' lah , tapi tak pulak mengaku segelintir kat sini adalah cybertrooper berbayar UMNO/BN
Tak percaya? Ko tengok aje lah respon beruk2 ni nanti
Part 1
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part 2
Lagipun bukankah lebih afdal kalau fact #2 tu ikut populasi district, bukan ikut jumlah voter? Tak gitu?
kalau gunakan berdasarkan parliament seats voters, dah memang2 gombak, bangi, kemamam dsbg memang asal2 azali dah ramai melayu...dah lah tu pula sesetengah kawasan tu bukannya kawasan termaju pun,..jadi bila dia gunakan berdasarkan voters aku macam eh, so?
Kita patut amalkan konsep : 1 rakyat - 1 undi
Sekarang nisbah undi tak samarata
Contoh : Parlimen Putrajaya ~ 27k penduduk banding dengan Gombak ~ 160k penduduk (ie. nisbah undi ~ 1:5)
Ini dipanggil gerrymandering
Kalo nak adil , buat semua kawasan parlimen ke ~ 55k penduduk (sebagai contoh) - yang besar tu pecahkan & yang kecik tu cantumkan
Tapi UMNO/BN/PAS & macai2 totok depa punyalah takut
Nampaknya UMNO/BN/PAS takut nak compete on a level playing field ... mesti ada nak menipu
Apa daaaa ....
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