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Palestine - who owns it?

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Post time 9-11-2004 08:58 AM | Show all posts
WHO IS BRITAIN TO DIVIDE PALESTINE?


At the time of World War I the area was ruled by the Turkish Ottoman empire. Turkish control ended when Arab forces backed by Britain drove out the Ottomans.

Britain occupied the region at the end of the war in 1918 and was assigned as the mandatory power by the League of Nations on 25 April 1920.

that's who they are to divide palestine...


During this period of change, three key pledges were made.

In 1916 the British Commissioner in Egypt, Sir Henry McMahon, had promised the Arab leadership post-war independence for former Ottoman Arab provinces.

i agree with kennkid with this one...
Is that really the British policy?  So, do you agree with that 'British policy' ?


However, at the same time, the secret Sykes-Picot Agreement between war victors, Britain and France, divided the region under their joint control.

Then in 1917, the British Foreign Minister Arthur Balfour committed Britain to work towards 搕he establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people
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Post time 9-11-2004 09:56 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Seraphim at 2004-11-8 05:35 PM:
HHmmmm..you guys should not entertain Sonny...he's either a block head or an attention seeker..

By using his logic..it's fine if Palestine is owned by Arabs since they taken or conquered  from J ...


if u use ur commonsense, SONNYs logic tells u israel wanna make PALESTINIAN natives extinct n change PALESTINE name into israel.  they wanna make the word PALESTINE disappear from the map.  exactly wot the white did to american natives - rapin america makin the continent their property n genocide american natives, some to extinction

ur brain tells u israel has raped bout 80% of PALESTINIAN lands (israel + occupied PALESTINAN territories) n they're greedy for more

n jew luvers expect PALESTINIANS to live in reservations like american natives.  shame on coward white wannabe  :no:
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Post time 9-11-2004 10:51 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by me at 2004-11-9 08:58 AM:


At the time of World War I the area was ruled by the Turkish Ottoman empire. Turkish control ended when Arab forces backed by Britain drove out the Ottomans.


yup PALESTINE is in the area ruled by turkish ottoman empire.  dont be deceptive coward n not wanna spell out the name PALESTINE.  as such israel is kaput, finished n has no more hold on PALESTINE.  those whos there r PALESTINIAN natives be they majority muslims possibly arabs, christians possibly arabs, jews etc

Britain occupied the region at the end of the war in 1918 and was assigned as the mandatory power by the League of Nations on 25 April 1920.


the keyword is MANDATORY POWER.  where in the mandatory power its writtEn britan can divide PALESTINE?  where?

In 1916 the British Commissioner in Egypt, Sir Henry McMahon, had promised the Arab leadership post-war independence for former Ottoman Arab provinces.

i agree with kennkid with this one...


there u r.  britain made forked tongue promises to arabs that former ottoman arab provinces includin PALESTINE would be under arabs' independence

However, at the same time, the secret Sykes-Picot Agreement between war victors, Britain and France, divided the region under their joint control.

Then in 1917, the British Foreign Minister Arthur Balfour committed Britain to work towards “the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people”, in a letter to leading Zionist Lord Rothschild. It became known as the Balfour Declaration.


thats wot me said - britain made forked promises first to arabs then to france then to jews.  britain has cheated the arabs in that they wanna arabs fight with em aginst the turks.  on the other hand britain dont wanna jews migrate into britain.  hence britain made PALESTINIAN natives the scapegoat when they (britain) made forked promises first to arabs then to jews

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Wait a minute..then what's so wrong about Jews taking it back since Arabs used the same method..hhmmm

that's the thing...for them it's alright if moslem use brutal force to reach one objective...but it's wrong for other to use the same method...


thats deceptive talk mr wise guy
history tells u jews once upon a time conquered PALESTINE. later arabs conquered PALESTINE.  britain the last to conquer PALESTINE with arabs' help  

nonetheless PALESTINIAN natives have been there for donkey years despite different conquerers.  n these PALESTINIAN natives r canaanites (assimilated), eqyptians, assyrians, philistines, arab nomads n many more (as proven by ADMIRALs cut n paste)

but now me repeat NOW, PALESTINIAN natives made up of mostly muslim possibly arabs, christians possibly arabs, jews etc

as such theres no such thing as muslims usin brutal force when PALESTIAN natives basically made up of mostly muslims possibly arabs.  RITE?  thats why me tell u to use ur brain smart not donkey.  c?   

i say let them go to war...that's how the land changes hand in the first place...so let the winner takes all...


there goes jew luver talkin donkey when hes trapped by his own hecklin  :no:
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Post time 9-11-2004 11:59 AM | Show all posts
wow this kid is amazing...maybe we should give him an award or something...btw you didn't paste a quote by kennkid

Is that really the British policy?  So, do you agree with that 'British policy' ?


and why you always seem to paste this quote...

PALESTINIAN natives made up of mostly muslim possibly arabs, christians possibly arabs, jews etc



muslim possibly arabs, christian possibly arabs, jews etc... as is possibly arabs??...is that it...why did you stop at jews etc...if it's possibly...then they could possibly be not arabs right...possibly israelis??...which ofcourse means...you yourself are not very sure who they really are...yes??:hmm::hmm::hmm:
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Post time 9-11-2004 02:09 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by me at 2004-11-9 11:59 AM:
wow this kid is amazing...maybe we should give him an award or something...btw you didn't paste a quote by kennkid

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Is that really the British policy?  So, do you agree with that 'British policy' ?


ok have ur way.  so wot exactly u agree with KENNY regardin the question above?  am waitin

"i agree with kennkid with this one..."

and why you always seem to paste this quote...

  Quote:
PALESTINIAN natives made up of mostly muslim possibly arabs, christians possibly arabs, jews etc

muslim possibly arabs, christian possibly arabs, jews etc... as is possibly arabs??...is that it...why did you stop at jews etc...if it's possibly...then they could possibly be not arabs right...possibly israelis??...which ofcourse means...you yourself are not very sure who they really are...yes??


commonsense tells u am only bein nice n not bein unsure

agin have ur way - me gonna be blunt bout it - PALESTINIAN natives comprise mostly ARAB muslims, followed by ARAB christians, then jews n others

hence god forbid if outcast imported jews cum israelis wanna treat PALESTINIAN natives like wot the white did to american natives

no way outcast imported jews cum israel wanna change name PALESTINE into israel.  uh huh.  happy now?  burp  :gila:
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Post time 9-11-2004 02:55 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 9-11-2004 02:09 PM:


ok have ur way.  so wot exactly u agree with KENNY regardin the question above?  am waitin

"i agree with kennkid with this one..."


hey...i've said that your an amazing kid...shouldn't be to hard for you to understand right...so go figure...
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Post time 9-11-2004 05:10 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by me at 2004-11-9 02:55 PM:


hey...i've said that your an amazing kid...shouldn't be to hard for you to understand right...so go figure...


huh?  :hmm:
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[size=-2]yawn  ;)
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Post time 13-11-2004 01:06 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by sonny~~ at 2004-11-11 02:14 PM:
yawn


yawn yawn :gantuk: :gantuk:
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Post time 14-11-2004 02:53 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Adm_Cheng_Ho at 2004-9-13 08:21 AM:
Nightlord,

Cut the story short. It doesn't matter to whom had God given the land to. It doesn't matter who was the original occupier. It also doesn't matter who is the majority of the land later ...


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Yesssss......
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Post time 17-11-2004 02:04 AM | Show all posts
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Post time 11-9-2006 10:03 AM | Show all posts
guys... an interEsting facts for u to DIGEST:

Palestine Fact Sheets

Whether a student, community activist, politician or an average citizen, these fact sheets will provide you with concise information on the different issues related to the current Intifada and Palestine. Feel free to print and distribute them as long as they are accredited to the Palestine Monitor.



United States Aid to Israel: Funding the Occupation
Israel is a funded state. Despite its own relatively healthy economy, it continues to receive aid from the US, in disproportion to both the country? population and needs.

The financial aid alone that Israel receives from the US allows it to purchase tanks, helicopter gunships, F-16 war planes, machine guns and bullets ? all of which it uses to commit human rights violations against the Palestinian people on a daily basis. When it is not possible for the Israeli government to use the funds directly on military expenditure, their use elsewhere frees up other Israeli government funds to pay for military salaries, services and facilities.

Military power is required for Israel to maintain its occupation of the Palestinian territories, implemented through a system of expanding settlements, checkpoints and closure. It is therefore no exaggeration to say that the US is funding and supplying the Israeli government? occupation of the Palestinian territories, as without financial subsidies from the US, the Israeli government would have found it considerably more difficult to sustain its military occupation of the Palestinian territories for the past thirty-four years.

Snapshot of the state of Israel

Israel? population is 6 million people, including:

182,000 illegal settlers in the West Bank
20,000 illegal settlers in the occupied Golan Heights
7,000 illegal settlers in the Gaza Strip
176,000 illegal settlers in East Jerusalem1

Israel ranks as the 16th wealthiest country in the world, and Israelis enjoy a per capita income higher than Ireland, Spain, or oil-rich Saudi Arabia.2

Israel GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.3

Since 28 September 2000, Israeli police, soldiers and settlers have killed more than 2,050 Palestinians -- the vast majority of them civilians -- in contravention of international law.

A BREAKDOWN OF UNITED STATES AID TO ISRAEL

Financial Aid


The Israeli government is the largest recipient of US financial aid in the world, receiving over one-third of total US aid to foreign countries4, even though Israel? population comprises just .001% of the world? population and has one the world? higher per capita incomes.

Since 1949 the US has given Israel a total of $84,854,827,200. The interest costs born by US taxpayers on behalf of Israel are $49,937,000,000 ? making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $134,791,507,200 (more than $134 billion).5

The total cost of this financial aid to US tax payers per Israeli is $23,240.

Since 1992, the US has offered Israel an additional $2 billion in loan guarantees every year.6

Nearly all past loans to Israel have been forgiven ? leading Israel to claim that they have never defaulted on repayment of a US loan ? with most loans made on the understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them.

In 1997 alone, the total of US grants and loan guarantees to Israel was $5.5 billion, i.e., $15,068,493 per day.

Military Aid

The United States provides direct and indirect military aid to Israel ? totalling more than it gives to all the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean put together, whose combined total population is 1,054,000,000.

According to a US Department of Defence Joint Report to Congress in March 2001, ?t is in the United States? national interest to promote the existence of a stable, democratic and militarily strong Israel, at peace with its neighbours [??.7 According to a US State Department statement in November 2002, the US government is committed to ?aintaining and enhancing Israel? security and qualitative edge over any combination of adversaries? and ?he important advantages the US-Israeli strategic relationship has and will continue to provide us.?8

Foreign Military Financing (FMF) is grants to foreign governments financing the purchase of American-made weapons, services and training. Israel receives 50% of the FMF budget request. The large sums paid by the US to Egypt and Jordan are in recognition of the two countries signing peace accords with Israel in 1979 and 1994 respectively.

FMF Budget Request FY 2001: Total budget request: $3.54 billion
  Budget request for Israel: $1.98 billion
  Budget request for Egypt: $1.3 billion
  Budget request for Jordan $75 million

The Economic Support Fund (ESF) promotes economic and political stability in areas strategically important to the US. It is not intended for military usage, but allows the recipient government to free up other money, therefore providing indirect military aid. Israel receives the largest single grant of the Near East budget, which alone is 79% of the total ESF request.

ESF Budget Request, FY 2001:
  Total budget request:
  $2.313 billion


Budget request for Near East:
  $1.828 billion, including:


Israel
  $840 million


Egypt
  $150 million


WB/GS
$100 million


Furthermore:

18 of the 92 pending arms sales transfers in the year 2000 were to Israel;

Israel has the world? largest fleet of F-16s outside the US, currently possessing 200 jets -- with a further 102 on order with American manufacturer Lockheed Martin;

In June 2001 Israel again requested $800 million in supplementary US aid. This was originally pledged to cover the cost of the Israeli withdrawal from south Lebanon ? in other words, Israel was being paid for complying with international law. As Israel re-requests this package, administration officials have considered linking it to the implementation of the Mitchell Report, again effectively paying Israel to comply with international standards;9

Charitable Aid

Private donations to American charities initially constituted one quarter of Israel? budget. Today, it is estimated that these tax-deductible donations exceed $1.5 billion per year. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax deductible contributions to a foreign government does not exist for any other country.

US aid to Israel: A violation of US law

US law prohibits the President from providing military aid to any country that ?ngages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognised human rights?.10 Under the 1967 US Arms Export Control Act, it is illegal to use US weapons to carry out extra-judicial killings. This act stipulates that weapons be sold to ?riendly countries solely for internal security and legitimate defence.?

Since September 2000, the Israeli army has used attack helicopters, tanks and F-16 missiles to target Palestinian civilians, homes, forces, buildings and in demonstrations. In its Human Rights Report, the US State Department declared that Israeli army actions were an ?xcessive use of force?, noting that the Israeli forces used live ammunition, even when they were not in imminent danger, and that the Israeli military ?helled PA institutions and Palestinian civilian areas in response to individual Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians or settlers?.

The Israeli government? policies in the occupied Palestinian territories have been condemned by human rights organisations worldwide. The Israeli army? ?xcessive use of force? towards Palestinian civilians and its policy of ?tate assassinations? violate international human rights law. In supplying military aid to such a state, the US is violating its own laws.
  

1 CIA World Factbook, July 2001
2 Zunes, Stephen, ?he Strategic Function of US Aid to Israel? (Washington Report on the Middle East December 2002)
3 ibid.
4 Washington Report on the Middle East December 2002
5 Ibid, as of 1 November 1997.
6 Ibid.
7 Foreign Military Training and DOD engagements, Activities of Interest, vol. 1, (fiscal year 1999-2000), Joint Report to Congress, March 1, 2001. Full text available through Federation of American Scientists? website
8 ?S promises Israel $2.16 billion military aid 2004,? Reuters, 21 November 2002
9 The Jerusalem Post, 28/6/01
10 22 USC 2304(a)

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Produced by The Palestine Monitor,
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On behalf of the Palestine NGO Network (PNGO)
For more information
Tel:+972-2-2985372

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