Kenapa Babi Haram? (merged: M5)

hetrek

[ Last edited by  fleurzsa at 8-6-2006 09:29 AM ]

tavarat

mananya?????....................

tak nampak gambar....

M5

...only when  pigs can fly.

hetrek

dah edit.............................

bzzts

ini rasanya, gambar kena save dulu dlm pc, pastu uplod ke photobucket atau imageshack.us.
baru paste kat sini.
sebab address tu yahoo punya web, maybe kena login u punya id dulu baru leh nampak.

aku dah komik baca  nih. tak nampak takpe.

neotoxin

Ni ha. aku tolong host images

neotoxin

sila klik kat images tuh utk tgk gambar full

BeanDiesel

Aku rasa ade beberapa perkara author katun ni patut reconsider:

Kamu tentu akan setuju bahawa satu analisis kimia terhadap darah menunjukkan ia mengandungi banyak asid urik..

Yes, if you analyze the blood of a person with high uric acid level. But in general, human blood contains small amount of it. (source: The Columbia Encyclopedia)

Tahukah juga kamu bahawa seekor khinzir tidak boleh disembelih pada lehernya kerana ia sendiri sebenarnya tidak mempunyai leher.

scientifically, they have necks.
http://faculty.clintoncc.suny.ed ... Pig/Fetal%20Pig.htm



And pork in terms of purine (which we dont want in our body since it will be turned into uric acid) level, pork is not as bad as the following:

Source: The World's Healthiest Foods
Foods with very high purine levels
(up to 1,000 mg per 3.5 ounce serving):        Anchovies, Brains, Gravies, Kidneys,Liver, Sardines, Sweetbreads

Lagi satu, since ini "Penjelasan Scientific", author kena la quote some scientific sources selain dari Quran, unless for very obvious scientific finding/theory.

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by hetrek at 5/20/06 05:11 AM
Penjelasan babi itu haram secare saintifik melalui komik

babi hanya haram dimakan, just like harimau, kucing etc. babi itself is not haram. It's just another God's great creation.

back_hand

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 25-5-2006 03:20 PM


babi hanya haram dimakan, just like harimau, kucing etc. babi itself is not haram. It's just another God's great creation.

ko punyer statement ni cam Mr bean la.

aku betulkan balik.babi ni haram dimakan dan jugak disentuh.Ia najis.Satu kejadian tuhan yg bernasib macam tu.Tak boleh dimakan dan tak boleh disentuh.orait.
kalau tak paham..sila kaji dan baca pasal peristiwa Nabi Noh dulu.

Sekeh kepala Mrbean ni sket..kasik ilang bangang dia.

-Mr.Jean-


p/s: ramai ah kat sini yg org2 fasik yang pakar dalam Al-Quran..hal agama etc yg dilatih oleh kafir utk hentam Islam.

hehehe

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by back_hand at 5/25/06 12:33 AM

aku betulkan balik.babi ni haram dimakan dan jugak disentuh.

no, babi tak haram disentuh. Najis yes. Najis and haram are different.

Sekeh kepala Mrbean ni sket..kasik ilang bangang dia.

try not to insult people. it's really unnecessary if your argument is good enough.

BeanDiesel

by the way there's nothing wrong with correcting each other, if it's done properly. attacking Islam and attacking arguments made by Muslims are not necessarily the same thing.

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 5/24/06 11:19 PM
Aku rasa ade beberapa perkara author katun ni patut reconsider:



Yes, if you analyze the blood of a person with high uric acid level. But in general, human blood contains small amount of it.  ...

i have a correction to make. since the sentence didn't talk about human blood, thus that point of mine may not be appropriate.

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 25-5-2006 03:20 PM


babi hanya haram dimakan, just like harimau, kucing etc. babi itself is not haram. It's just another God's great creation.

Saya setuju dengan bean.  

Saya rasa orang Melayu cepat melatah tu sebab saya jarang masuk thread muslimin & muslimat ni (maaf kalau offended).  

Dalam al-quran mengharamkan makan daging babi, tapi juga mengatakan bahawa kalau terpaksa, kita boleh makan, dibenarkan tak berdosa, insyaallah   Tapi dalam terpaksa kena juga makan daging ni, macamana nak sembelih kalau tak boleh sentuh?  Last2 dok pikir boleh ke tak boleh, tak jadi apa.

Seperti juga dalam thread anjing itu haram disentuh mengikut hadith, tapi kalau kita tengok dalam al quran surah 5 ayat 4 yang bermaksud:  Mereka menanyai kamu mengenai apa-apa yang dihalalkan bagi mereka. Katakanlah, "Benda-benda yang baik adalah dihalalkan bagi kamu; dan daripada binatang berburu yang kamu mengajari, dengan melatih anjing untuk memburu, dengan mengajarnya seperti Allah mengajar kamu, maka makanlah apa yang ia menangkapkan untuk kamu, dan ingatlah (sebutlah) nama Allah padanya. Takutilah Allah; sesungguhnya Allah cepat membuat perhitungan."

Kalau anjing itu haram di sentuh, apatah lagi makanan yang diburu nya untuk kita makan ye?  Tapi dalam al quran kata ianya halal. Insyaallah ada cara-cara mengajar anjing ini untuk memburu, saya pernah terbaca kat satu website Islam.

Kalau ragu2 haram terpegang anjing ke babi, samak je lah bukan susah. Pada saya Islam tu tak pernah nak menyusahkan umat nya,cuma umat2 nya yang suka benda2 complicated.

Wallahualam.

[ Last edited by  samerosie at 25-5-2006 06:45 PM ]

Nara_Gaara

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 25-5-2006 03:20 PM


babi hanya haram dimakan, just like harimau, kucing etc. babi itself is not haram. It's just another God's great creation.

Ko tau Bean.Selama ni aku pun pikir babi/anjingi tu haram secara keseluruhannya.Tapi bila ko jelaskan hal yg babi/anjing ni hanya haram dimakan kat bod Animal Lovers baru la aku sedar pemahaman aku silap selama ni.Tetiba kedua makhluk Allah ni dijatuhkan hukuman di atas kesalahan yg tidak mereka lakukan.Aku rasa ramai lagi kat luar sana yg salah paham tentang hal ni.

Bateesta

Babi dan anjing kan ciptaan allah , SAMA JE macam kita yg manusia ni
Kenapa..x percaya aaa:hmm:

M5

Originally posted by Bateesta at 26-5-2006 12:52 AM
Babi dan anjing kan ciptaan allah , SAMA JE macam kita yg manusia ni
Kenapa..x percaya aaa:hmm:

Salam sejahtera semua,

Tumpang lalu untuk membicarakan isu babi.  Minta yg berfikiran terbuka sahaja untuk turut serta.

Dalam pengamatan saya bila membicarakan ttg hukum babi yg dikatakan haram, saya mengajak saudara/i membincangkan isu ini dari perspektif al Qur'an.

Sebelum itu, beberpa perkara mesti dijadikan asas dalmper bincangan ini.
1.  Ayat2 al-Qur'an itu lengkap penerangannya berkaitan halal/haram sesuatu perkara.
2.  Ayat2 al-Qur'an tidak bercanggah sesama sendiri.


Q6:146 And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.


Q5:5 This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.


Persoalan yg pertama untuk perbincangan disini adalah, dimana ayat didlm al Qur'an yg menyatakan Allah menjadikan daging babi itu haram kepada Yahudi?  Allah hanya mengharamkan the fat of oxen, sheep, and animals with claws. Babi tidak didlam kategori berkuku tajam (eg, harimau, kucing, anjing, etc).  Dan Ayat 5:5 adalah jelas memberitahu the food of the People of the Book and our food are lawful to each other.

With this in mind then...how is the flesh of swine haram for us, the muslim?

Salam.

Originally posted by M5 at 26-5-2006 03:00 AM

Salam sejahtera semua,

Tumpang lalu untuk membicarakan isu babi.  Minta yg berfikiran terbuka sahaja untuk turut serta.

Dalam pengamatan saya bila membicarakan ttg hukum babi yg dikatak ...

Salam M5.

Saya suka kalau dapat mengatakan saya ni berfikiran terbuka selama tak membatasi hukum2 Allah, insyallah.

Mengenai pertanyaan M5 - swine flesh tu, ada nyatakan dalam Al-Quran juga.  Kalau dibaca surah 5 tu secara keseluruhan, kita dapati just above ayat 5 yang menghalalkan makanan People of the Book to Muslims, dalam ayat 3 yang bermaksud:

Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

On random search, ayat mengenai pengharaman swine flesh (daging babi) kepada Muslims is repeated as well in 2:173, 6:145 dan 16:115.

Dan Ayat 5:5 adalah jelas memberitahu the food of the People of the Book and our food are lawful to each other.

Ayat ini bukanlah membawa maksud sebegitu.  Jelas sekali dalam Al-Quran melarang Muslims daripada makan daging babi. Tetapi yang di maksudkan adalah, makanan yang disediakan/dimasak oleh People of the Book ini (selain daripada makanan terlarang orang Muslim) dibolehkan.  Kenapa?  Kerana Al-Quran ini adalah panduan bagi Muslimin dan Muslimat, dan ini adalah kelebihan yang diberikan oleh Allah kepada umatnya.  Kepada orang Yahudi, makanan yang dimasak oleh bukan Yahudi adalah haram, itu sebab ada kosher sana kosher sini merata dunia (reference:  Laws of Bishul Akum).  Ini adalah cara pencegahan mereka dari termakan benda2 yang terlarang bagi mereka (tau je lah, orang Yahudi ni kan degil).

Wallahualam.

[ Last edited by  samerosie at 26-5-2006 10:46 AM ]