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Whatz up yall....still with your elegant silence or STUCK in ALASKA?????
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Where have all the bible specialist here.....can u pass the basic test like the sect in Islam did???? how can u preach to people to enter christianity without passing these basic test first!!!
Islam sect ==> pray to the same god which is Allah no matter what sect u are,the foundation is the same!!!
Christian sect===>praying to which god??? the father or Jesus himself???each sect have different view of god...
see the differrence???which offer u more consistency???hmmmmmmmm....
Allah Knows Best,Peace Yall......... |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 16-10-2006 02:30 AM
Basic test is whether you worship the right God. Allah is not the true God that created teh heavens and the earth, so what if you think you are pious>
ok take for example, christianity is true, but which sect is true? Because if you embrace wrong god, still make your religion a false religion! |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 17-10-2006 02:50 AM
so easily debunk bang.
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"
The big bang theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang clearly does not fit into the quran even if it is true and this is obvious.
The BBT talks abt an initial explosion of energy, not matter, in the beginning of the universe.
In other words, there was no heaven or earth to talk about much less them joined together when there is nothing to join in the first place.
I see muslims trying desperately to look at conventional wisdom, then search the Quran and try to twist teh meanings of the words in the Quran, then stand back and say 'wow'! ahahahahahahahah............................
Totally debunked! What else?
you're "debunking" failed...
read on:
Let us look what Allah Almighty said about the Universe in the Noble Quran:
"Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: 'Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We do come (together), in willing obedience.' So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 41:11-12)"
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"
The Arabic word for "sky" in Noble Verse 41:11 above is "samaa", which is the same word used for "heaven" and "Universe". Since the 7 heavens didn't exist yet (because the seven firmaments or heavens were mentioned in the next Noble Verse 41:12), then this CLEARLY MAKES the "samaa" be referring to the Universe, since the heaven was the entire Universe when GOD Almighty "comprehended in His design the sky". He then later divided it into seven firmaments or heavens.
Anyway, as we clearly see above in the Noble Verses, Allah Almighty initially created the Universe or the "samaa" with smoke (Dukhan). Dukhan in Arabic refers to the smoke coming from fire, which is always HOT GAS.
A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust and Hot Gas, or Smoke.
Now as to Noble Verse 21:30 above, according to the Big Bang Theory, the Universe experienced an unbelievable explosion from the hot gases that were forming it, which caused the Universe (which consisted of the ball of gases) to split and expand. The Earth was separated then from the gaseous mass that was forming the Universe. The gases according to the scientific articles below in this article made "the universe be consisted of compact ball of hydrogen -- protons, neutrons, electrons, and their anti-particles -- plus radiation. There were not differentiated planets, stars, suns, galaxies. Five billion years ago, the compact hydrogen soup blasted apart with huge force, matter was hurled in all directions, and the universe doubled in size. This expansion of the universe is still going on." [taken from "Ask Yahoo" web site at http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20001027.html]
It is really interesting to know that the Big Bang Theory suggests that the Universe is still expanding until today, because this is EXACTLY what Allah Almighty also claimed in the Noble Quran:
"And the firmament, We constructed with power and skill and verily We are expanding it. (The Noble Quran, 51:47)"
Again, the word "samaa" was used for "firmament". "samaa" as I mentioned above means either "heaven", or "Universe" depending on how it is used. Certainly, the meaning of the word "samaa" in Noble Verse 51:47 is "Universe".
Please visit How could Allah create the world in 6 days if science has proved that the world and universe took millions of years to make?
Also, since Allah Almighty didn't have any names for the explosive gases (such as hydrogen) 1400 years ago, He summed them up by calling them "smoke (dukhan)", which is literally a hot gas. Smoke is also ball-shaped and compacted together while it is hot and in the air. This description perfectly fits what the big bang theory suggests from the shape of the "compact ball" of gases that formed the Universe.
dont worry,im not expecting you to give anything constructive after this..
im quite used to you keeping quiet or running away.. |
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Well, I have proven that the Quran does not even fit the BBT no matter how hard you try to twist the verses.
You see how desperate you muslism are? |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 19-10-2006 03:49 PM
Well, I have proven that the Quran does not even fit the BBT no matter how hard you try to twist the verses.
You see how desperate you muslism are?
reading all the posts from you suggest that you are the one that really desperate enough to prove that Islam is so wriong! but it is only in your eyes that cant see the truth |
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How can the Holy Quran unite the Muslims in terms of which god should they pray for??? and the miracle part was all the sect in islam also share the same foundation without any doubt!!!
Why can't the bible do the same thing???? catholic and protestant doesnt share the same view about which god and how many gods do they have!!! wasn't this a clear sign that the bible is not the 100% pure word from god anymore??? no wonder the atheist in the west are running away from christianity coz they know these polemics very well!!!
If any missionaries ask u to convert, just ask them about this....im sure they will not be able to answer this polemics right away!!! i've experience this thing quite many times already,either they divert the topic(i think u can also see such technique in this forum!!hehehehehee...) or they just leave u with their adress
or contact no : and leave immediately!!!! that's all folks, take your time to rethink about the inconsistent foundation in christianity between sect!!!
Allah Knows Best,Peace Yall........ |
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Stuck again huh????? TYPICAL!!!! |
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First ,let me remind my muslim brothers and sisters that we believe Al Quran is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH , a mukjizat that comes from Allah. I don't care what the non-muslims say; " As you to be your faith and to my faith" ( 109:6). Scientic theories can be invalidated or reinforced as shown in the cases of Plotemy's geocentric model and Newton Law of motion , but AlQuran is eternal until the Day of judgment. The verse 21:30 remains the same from the day of its revelation until today. So if the phrase "an nassamawati walarda kanata ratqa" literally means "the heaven and and the earth were joined together as a united piece", so be it. I believe it although I can't prove it yet. Nonetheless, we should make an effort to learn Arabic so we can take somebody's claim that " muslims twist the meaning of quranic verse when they want to" with a grain of salt.
Next,Big Bang is a theory that still have flaws. Yes, it is the standard theory in cosmology and has been supported by Hubble relation and cosmic microwave background.However, it cannot explain some observational results . It doesn't describe the state of universe from t=0s but from t=10^-45s. Only Allah knows what happen at exactly t=0. Also, the universe does not "explode" but expand from a very high density state to a more dilute state(for comparison: density silver~ 10^4Pa, human body10^2Pa, space ~ 10^-19Pa). The space between particle/ matter expands and at one point it will expand or stay still or shrink. When you say it is an "explosion" of energy, it also means the "explosion" of matter (E=mc^2). Can you see what I'm trying to imply in my explanation?
In no way that science precede Al Quran in our faith. Most of Allah's Words have been proven and the rest will be. So what if we look at science and use it to contemplate the mightiness of Allah. As a human, I learn , I understand and I reflect on His creations. |
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First ,let me remind my muslim brothers and sisters that we believe Al Quran is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH , a mukjizat that comes from Allah.
Why do you say that? Because your quran tells you so?
Especially when it is obvious that the Quran carries so many internal and external contradiction?
I don't care what the non-muslims say; " As you to be your faith and to my faith" ( 109:6).
Well, it sounds good excepot muslims love to impose their belief systems on others. Don't be a hypocrite please.
Scientic theories can be invalidated or reinforced as shown in the cases of Plotemy's geocentric model and Newton Law of motion , but AlQuran is eternal until the Day of judgment. The verse 21:30 remains the same from the day of its revelation until today. So if the phrase "an nassamawati walarda kanata ratqa" literally means "the heaven and and the earth were joined together as a united piece", so be it. I believe it although I can't prove it yet. Nonetheless, we should make an effort to learn Arabic so we can take somebody's claim that " muslims twist the meaning of quranic verse when they want to" with a grain of salt.
Yes indeed, many people do like to twist verses to suit science.
Next,Big Bang is a theory that still have flaws. Yes, it is the standard theory in cosmology and has been supported by Hubble relation and cosmic microwave background.However, it cannot explain some observational results . It doesn't describe the state of universe from t=0s but from t=10^-45s. Only Allah knows what happen at exactly t=0. Also, the universe does not "explode" but expand from a very high density state to a more dilute state(for comparison: density silver~ 10^4Pa, human body10^2Pa, space ~ 10^-19Pa). The space between particle/ matter expands and at one point it will expand or stay still or shrink. When you say it is an "explosion" of energy, it also means the "explosion" of matter (E=mc^2). Can you see what I'm trying to imply in my explanation?
The BBT says that it started with energy, not matter.
I'm not saying that the BBT is correct but Quran sure doesn't fit it. |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 24-10-2006 02:25 PM
Why do you say that? Because your quran tells you so?
Especially when it is obvious that the Quran carries so many internal and external contradiction?
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Emmm...
I think Denmey formula is Sqrt(4)=2. It's not important for GOD the absolute.
Need to wait for him to graduate first before expecting hin to give value-add debate in here.
So, silap gelanggang le kut? |
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Hmmm still stucked????? cmon 2000 years already..... |
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Actually these topic was pretty straightforward for them to answer....but i dunno how come they cannot answer it easy words!!! if u ask any muslims no matter what sect they are u will find out that they pray to the same god which is Allah as well...now that's what u call a solid foundation!!!!what about christian???Catholic and Protestant????
Allah Knows Best,Peace Yall.... |
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Whatz up yall....... cmon it's 2006 already!!! |
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