I just found Koran verses contradiction

Truth.8

As i was discussing about Human spriti according to Bible verses, muslims claimed human spirit located in heart and they qutoe me the verses.

than, i browse thru two koran verses but it contradict each other.

the first one:

Koran sura 32: Adoration

9 And they say, Then we are lost in the earth, shall we then become a new creation?? 10 Nay! in the meeting of their Lord they disbelieve. 11 Say, The angel of death shall take you away, he who is given charge of you; then unto your Lord shall ye be returned.? 12 And couldst thou see when the sinners hang down their heads before their Lord, ? Lord! we have seen and we have heard; send us back then and we will do right. Verily, we are sure!?

the second one:

AS-SAJDA (THE PROSTRATION,WORSHIP, ADORATION)
032-009. Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks.

this link :http://www.birdnest.org/msa/as-sajda.htm

So, my question to muhammad followers which is genuine and which is the corrupt?

[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 9-10-2006 01:21 PM ]

loona

Why create another thread?

It is the web author mistake, putting wrong verse no at wrong place. But not contradict in Quran itself

Truth.8

Originally posted by loona at 9-10-2006 01:36 PM
Why create another thread?

It is the web author mistake, putting wrong verse no at wrong place. But not contradict in Quran itself

are u sure? why is it every time it is  people of the book like myself have to tell the error to muslims??

i don't think it is erorr but seems like contradict?
so which the real verse that sound different?

i212

FROM THIS EXAMPLE, ITS SHOW HOW CLUMSY YOU ARE AND HOW NARROW MINDED YOU ARE AND ALSO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO READ VERSE IN QURAN AND HOW TO UNDERSTAND QURAN. ACTUALLY THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION IN THERE.
ITS JUST THE NUMBERING AND MISREAD.



We take 32:1-10

From the website: http://i-cias.com/e.o/texts/koran/koran032.htm
[quote]
ALIF LAM MIM

1 The revelation of the Book, there is no doubt therein, from the Lord of the worlds.

2 Do they say, 慔e has forged it?

Truth.8

Originally posted by i212 at 9-10-2006 01:57 PM

FROM THIS EXAMPLE, ITS SHOW HOW CLUMSY YOU ARE AND HOW NARROW MINDED YOU ARE AND ALSO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO READ VERSE IN QURAN AND HOW TO UNDERSTAND QURAN. ACTUALLY THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION IN THE ...

yup, it says different things:

Koran sura 32: Adoration

9 And they say, Then we are lost in the earth, shall we then become a new creation?? 10 Nay! in the meeting of their Lord they disbelieve. 11 Say, The angel of death shall take you away, he who is given charge of you; then unto your Lord shall ye be returned.? 12 And couldst thou see when the sinners hang down their heads before their Lord, ? Lord! we have seen and we have heard; send us back then and we will do right. Verily, we are sure!?

the second one:

AS-SAJDA (THE PROSTRATION,WORSHIP, ADORATION)
032-009. Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks.

i212

can you read the verse before number 9 inside the web?  

i212

what its say?

i212

Truth.8

Dah jumpa ayat tuh? apa dia tulis?

Truth.8

Originally posted by i212 at 9-10-2006 02:10 PM
can you read the verse before number 9 inside the web?  

it is here :  http://i-cias.com/e.o/texts/koran/koran032.htm

and compare this : http://www.birdnest.org/msa/as-sajda.htm

[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 9-10-2006 02:24 PM ]

i212

Oklah... I help you to examine again...
Pity... need people to help you on reading.
this time with the proper numbering.

[quote] from http://i-cias.com/e.o/texts/koran/koran032.htm
As-Sajdah 32:1-10

1)ALIF LAM MIM  

2)The revelation of the Book, there is no doubt therein, from the Lord of the worlds.

3)Do they say, 慔e has forged it?

i212

Its the numbering style are different... bebeh

Truth.8

Originally posted by i212 at 9-10-2006 02:42 PM
Its the numbering style are different... bebeh

how many numbering style ? in sura 5:51 it also numbering . did Bible have such numbering problem??

only in koran too many error in numbering because true God showing the truth that ur fatih in error.

Koran sura 32: Adoration

9 And they say, Then we are lost in the earth, shall we then become a new creation?? 10 Nay! in the meeting of their Lord they disbelieve. 11 Say, The angel of death shall take you away, he who is given charge of you; then unto your Lord shall ye be returned.? 12 And couldst thou see when the sinners hang down their heads before their Lord, ? Lord! we have seen and we have heard; send us back then and we will do right. Verily, we are sure!?


if this not the real verses or numbering error, than which verses this suppose to be??

this the whole chapter:

Koran sura 32: Adoration



In the name of the merciful and compassionate God.
ALIF LAM MIM

1 The revelation of the Book, there is no doubt therein, from the Lord of the worlds.

2 Do they say, ?e has forged it?? Nay! it is the truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest warn a people, to whom no warner has come before thee, haply they may be guided.

3 God it is who created the heavens and the earth and what is between the two in six days; then He made for the throne! ye have no patron beside Him and no intercessor; are ye not then mindful? 4 He governs the affair from the heaven unto the earth; then shall it ascend to him in a day, the measure of which is as a thousand years of what ye number.

5 That is He who knows the unseen and the visible; the mighty, the merciful, 6 who has made the best of the creation of everything, and produced the creation of man from clay; then He made his stock from an extract of despicable water; 7 then He fashioned him and breathed into him of his spirit, 8 and made for you hearing and eyesight and hearts;-little is it that ye give thanks!

9 And they say, ?hen we are lost in the earth, shall we then become a new creation?? 10 Nay! in the meeting of their Lord they disbelieve. 11 Say, ?he angel of death shall take you away, he who is given charge of you; then unto your Lord shall ye be returned.? 12 And couldst thou see when the sinners hang down their heads before their Lord, ? Lord! we have seen and we have heard; send us back then and we will do right. Verily, we are sure!?

13 Had we pleased we would have given to everything its guidance; but the sentence was due from me;-I will surely fill hell with the jinns and with men all together: 14 ?o taste ye, for that ye forgat the meeting of this day of yours,-verily, we have forgotten you! and taste ye the torment of eternity for that which ye have done!? 15 They only believe in our signs who when they are reminded of them fall down adoring and celebrate the praises of their Lord, and are not too big with pride. 16 As their sides forsake their beds, they call upon their Lord with fear and hope; and of what we have bestowed upon them do they give alms. 17 No soul knows what is reserved for them of cheerfulness for eye, as a reward for that which they have done! 18 Is he who is a believer like him who is a sinner? they shall not be held equal.

19 As for those who believe and do right, for them are the gardens of resort, an entertainment for that which they have done! 20 But as for those who commit abomination there resort is the Fire. Every time that they desire to go forth therefrom, we will send them back therein, and it will be said to them, ?aste ye the torment of the fire which ye did call a lie!? 21 and we will surely make them taste of the torment of the nearer torment beside the greater torment,-haply they may yet return.

22 Who is more unjust than he who is reminded of the signs of his Lord, and then turns away from them? Verily, we will take vengeance on the sinners!

23 And we did give Moses the Book; be not then in doubt concerning the meeting with him; and we made it a guidance to the children of Israel.

24 And we made amongst them high priests who guided by our bidding, since they were patient and were sure of our signs. 25 Verily, thy Lord, he shall decide between them on the resurrection day concerning that whereon they do dispute.

26 Is it not conspicuous to them how many generations we have destroyed before them? they walk over their dwellings! verily, in that are signs: do they not then hear?

27 Have they not seen that we drive the water to the sterile land, and bring forth thereby corn from which their cattle and themselves do eat? do they not then see?

28 And they say, ?hen shall this decision come if ye do tell the truth?? 29 Say, ?n the day of the decision their faith shall not profit those who misbelieved, nor shall they be respited; 30 turn then from them and wait; verily, they are waiting too

[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 9-10-2006 02:50 PM ]

i212

how many numbering style ? in sura 5:51 it also numbering . did Bible have such numbering problem??

what about the surah?

if this not the real verses or numbering error, than which verses this suppose to be??

did you read post #10.....

I think you not read it and maybe do not want to read it or maybe you do not know how to read and maybe you are blind.

I Already give you the actual reading sequence but still barking around. Wasting time man.

If you don't know or overlooked it, just Admit it. As simple as that.
Don;t barking without reason.

How can anyone in their right mind  expect someone like T .8, who doesn't know a word of Arabic, to accuse the Qur'an based on the English translations that he has read, equipped with his half-baked knowledge of the English language?

i212

Let me teach you how to read ok?

In the name of the merciful and compassionate God.
ALIF LAM MIM

1 The revelation of the Book, there is no doubt therein, from the Lord of the worlds.

2 Do they say, ?e has forged it?? Nay! it is the truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest warn a people, to whom no warner has come before thee, haply they may be guided.

3 God it is who created the heavens and the earth and what is between the two in six days; then He made for the throne! ye have no patron beside Him and no intercessor; are ye not then mindful? 4 He governs the affair from the heaven unto the earth; then shall it ascend to him in a day, the measure of which is as a thousand years of what ye number.

5 That is He who knows the unseen and the visible; the mighty, the merciful, 6 who has made the best of the creation of everything, and produced the creation of man from clay; then He made his stock from an extract of despicable water; 7 then He fashioned him and breathed into him of his spirit, 8 and made for you hearing and eyesight and hearts;-little is it that ye give thanks!

9 And they say, ?hen we are lost in the earth, shall we then become a new creation?? 10 Nay! in the meeting of their Lord they disbelieve. 11 Say, ?he angel of death shall take you away, he who is given charge of you; then unto your Lord shall ye be returned.? 12 And couldst thou see when the sinners hang down their heads before their Lord, ? Lord! we have seen and we have heard; send us back then and we will do right. Verily, we are sure!?

13 Had we pleased we would have given to everything its guidance; but the sentence was due from me;-I will surely fill hell with the jinns and with men all together: 14 ?o taste ye, for that ye forgat the meeting of this day of yours,-verily, we have forgotten you! and taste ye the torment of eternity for that which ye have done!? 15 They only believe in our signs who when they are reminded of them fall down adoring and celebrate the praises of their Lord, and are not too big with pride. 16 As their sides forsake their beds, they call upon their Lord with fear and hope; and of what we have bestowed upon them do they give alms. 17 No soul knows what is reserved for them of cheerfulness for eye, as a reward for that which they have done! 18 Is he who is a believer like him who is a sinner? they shall not be held equal.

19 As for those who believe and do right, for them are the gardens of resort, an entertainment for that which they have done! 20 But as for those who commit abomination there resort is the Fire. Every time that they desire to go forth therefrom, we will send them back therein, and it will be said to them, ?aste ye the torment of the fire which ye did call a lie!? 21 and we will surely make them taste of the torment of the nearer torment beside the greater torment,-haply they may yet return.

22 Who is more unjust than he who is reminded of the signs of his Lord, and then turns away from them? Verily, we will take vengeance on the sinners!

23 And we did give Moses the Book; be not then in doubt concerning the meeting with him; and we made it a guidance to the children of Israel.

24 And we made amongst them high priests who guided by our bidding, since they were patient and were sure of our signs. 25 Verily, thy Lord, he shall decide between them on the resurrection day concerning that whereon they do dispute.

26 Is it not conspicuous to them how many generations we have destroyed before them? they walk over their dwellings! verily, in that are signs: do they not then hear?

27 Have they not seen that we drive the water to the sterile land, and bring forth thereby corn from which their cattle and themselves do eat? do they not then see?

28 And they say, ?hen shall this decision come if ye do tell the truth?? 29 Say, ?n the day of the decision their faith shall not profit those who misbelieved, nor shall they be respited; 30 turn then from them and wait; verily, they are waiting too

the red one is verse 32:9
the blue one is verse 32:10

i212

Understand?

Originally posted by i212 at 9-10-2006 03:00 PM
Let me teach you how to read ok?



the red one is verse 32:9
the blue one is verse 32:10

Good luck i212...this T .8 fella has a track record of showing that he has very little intelligence or none at all...

Truth.8

Originally posted by i212 at 9-10-2006 03:01 PM
Understand?

so u agreed that the numbering error in 9 both says different things.
can u show us the numbering error in Bible of any verses?? u cannot find because Holy Book of Bible is from True God not like koran too many numbering problem

Truth.8

Originally posted by KENNKID at 9-10-2006 03:02 PM


Good luck i212...this T .8 fella has a track record of showing that he has very little intelligence or none at all...

u mean both verses in 9 show differend meaning and numbering yet am i very little intelligence? nope its u lying pen of islam did not that long time go to suite they own

Truth.8

The Koran itself too much of numbering error and do not know which number and which number on certain chapter.

Do Bible has that??

I challenged Muslims on that