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Koran - The Word Of God?
(Koran 4:82)
Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)?
Had it been from other than Allah, they would
surely have found therein much discrepancy.
According to the Muslims the Koran contains the words of God. Koran is to be read as if God Himself had spoken these words stated in it. It is important to emphasize this point because if Koran is the word of God then it should not contain any errors and it should hold true for all times. However, such is not the case.
First, we will see how some of the verses in the Koran itself show clearly that these words were obviously spoken by Mohammed and Not God.
The Opening Sura Fatihah:
(Koran 1:1-7)
In the name of the Merciful and Compassionate God.
Praise belongs to God,
The Lord of the worlds, the merciful, the
compassionate, the ruler of the day of
the day of judgement! Thee we serve and Thee
we ask for aid. Guide us in the right path,
the path of those Thou art gracious to;
not to those Thou art wroth with, nor of
those who err.
Someone need not be a rocket-scientist to comprehend that these words are clearly addressed to God, in the form of a prayer. They are Mohammed's words of parise to God, asking for God's help and guidance. Some Muslim compilers conveniently add the imperative "say" in the English translation of the Koran at the beginning of the sura to remove this difficulty. This imperative form of the word "say" occurs at least 350 times in the Koran, and its obvious that this word has, in fact, been inserted by later compilers of the Koran to remove countless similarly embarassing difficulties. Thus, we have direct evidence that the Koran starts out with the words of Mohammed.
(Koran 113:1)
I take refuge with the Lord of the Dawn.
One can clearly see, its Mohammed and NOT GOD HIMSELF who is seeking refuge in God.
(Koran 6:104)
Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs
(To open your eyes): If any will see, it will
be for (the good of) his own soul; If any will
be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not
(here) To watch over your doings.
In this verse the speaker of the line "I am not to watch over your doings"- is clearly Mohammed. In fact Dawood in his translation adds a footnote that the "I" refers to Mohammed here.
(Koran 27:91)
For me, I have been commanded to serve the
Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it
and to whom (Belong) all things; and I am
commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to
Allah's Will
Again, the speaker here is clearly Mohammed who is trying to justify killing of innocent Meccans who were not willing to follow Mohammed's version of God. Dawood and Pickthall both interpolate "say" at the beginning of the sentence which is lacking in the original Arabic version of the sura.
(Koran 81:15)
So veriy I call To witness the planets that recede...
Again, here it is Mohammed and NOT God who is swearing by the turning planets.
(Koran 84:16-19)
I swear by the afterglow of sunset, and by the night,
and by the moon when she is at the full.
Once again it is Mohammed and NOT God. He is unable to disguise his pagan heritage. He swears again in the name of the Sun and Moon, both of which were considered as holy deities by pre-Islamic Arabs.
(Koran 6:114)
Should I seek other judge than God, when
it is He who has sent down to you, the
distinguishing book (Koran)?
Any sane person can comprehend that those words are not spoken by God but Mohammed himself. Yusuf Ali in his translation adds at the beginning of the sentence "say", which is not there in the original Arabic and he does so without comment or footnote.
Having established that Koran actually contains the words of Mohammed I shall now show various other contradictions which are present in the Koran.
Numerical Contradictions:
There are many numerical contradictions in the Koran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations, however Mohammed, as you will see, being an illiterate was very capable of making such errors.
How Many Days Did It Take To Create Heavens And Earth?
(Koran 7:54)
Your guardian-Lord is Allah. Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days...
(Koran 10:3)
Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days...
(Koran 11:7)
He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX days...
(Koran 25:29)
He Who created the heavens And the earth and all that is between, in SIX days...
The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and the earth in 6 days. But the verses stated below contradict the above verses and imply that it took God 8 days to create the heaven and the earth. Read carefully and add up the numbers.
(Koran 41:9)
Is it that ye Deny Him who created the earth in TWO days?...
(Koran 41:10)
He set on the (earth). Mountains standing firm,
high above it, and bestowed blessings on the
earth, and measured therein all things to
give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR days...
(Koran 41:12)
So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO days and...
Do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2(for heavens) = 8 NOT 6
This implies that Mohammed did not know how to add integers.
Contradictions In the Inheritance Law
(Koran 4:11)
Allah directs you as regards your children's
(Inheritance): to the male a portion equal to
that of two females: if only daughters, two or
more, Their share is two-thirds of the inheritance;
if only one, her, share is a half.
For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to
each, if the deceased left children; if no
children, and the parents are the heirs, the
mother has a third; if the deceased left brothers
the mother has a sixth...
(Koran 4:12)
In what your wives leave, your share is a half,
if they leave no child; but if they leave a child,
ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and
debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth,
If ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they
get an eighth; after payment.
(Koran 4:176)
...If it is a man that dies, leaving a sister
but no child, she shall have half the inheritance:
If a woman dies and leaves no child, her brother
takes her inheritance: If there are two sisters,
they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance.
If there are brothers and sisters, the male takes
twice the share of the female.
Let us suppose that a man dies and leaves behind three daughters, two parents and his wife. According to the verses stated above the three daughters together will receive 2/3 of the share, the parents will receive 1/3 of the share and the wife will receive 1/8 of the share.
Do the math once again: 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/8 = 9/8 = 1.125. The distribution of the property adds up to more than the available property! How can this distribution be possible? Once again Mohammed displays his inability to add. Well, if a person can't add integers then it is unprobable that he would know how to add fractions.
Another example: A man dies and leaves behind his mother, his wife and two sisters. According to what Mohammed has stated in Koran 4:11-12 and 4:176 the mother will receive 1/3 of the property, the wife will receive 1/4 of the property and the sisters will receive 2/3 of the property.
Let us add up the fractions again: 1/3 + 2/3 + 1/4 = 5/4 = 1.25 and once again it adds up to more than the available property.
Allah's Day Equals 1,000 Years or 50,000 Years?
(Koran 22:47)
...A day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.
(Koran 32:5)
...To Him, on a Day, The space whereof will be a thousands years of your reckoning.
In the above verses it states clearly that a day of Allah is equal to a 1000 earth years. However, there is a contradiction in the verse stated below.
(Koran 70:4)
The angels and the Spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.
So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years? |
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How Many Gardens Of Paradise?
(Koran 39:73)
And those who feared their Lord will be led to THE Garden...
(Koran 41:30)
...But receive the glad tidings of THE Garden that which ye were promised!
(Koran 57:21)
Be ye foremost in seeking forgiveness from your Lord, and A Garden...
(Koran 79:41)
Their abode will be THE Garden.
In the above verses Mohammed refers to only ONE Garden of Paradise, but in the verses below he contradicts himself once again by saying that there are MANY Gardens of paradise.
(Koran 18:31)
For them will be GARDENS of Eternity...
(Koran 22:23)
Allah will admit those who believe and work righteous deeds.
To GARDENS beneath which rivers flow...
(Koran 35:33)
GARDENS of Eternity will they Enter...
(Koran 78:32)
GARDENS enclosed, and Grapevines;
It looks like Mohammed could not make up his mind about the number of Gardens of Eternity in heaven.
How Many Groups Of People During The Last Judgement?
(Koran 56:7)
And ye shall be sorted out into THREE classes.
The contradictory verses:
(Koran 90:18-19)
Such are the Companions of the right hand.
But those who reject our signs, they are
the companions of the left hand.
(Koran 99:6-8)
On the Day will men Proceed in companies sorted
out, to be shown the deeds that they had done.
Then shall anyone has done an ounce of good,
see it! And anyone who Has done an ounce of evil,
shall see it.
At first, Mohammed says that during the Last Judgement people will be divided into 3 groups. But in the later verses he seems to have changed his mind to 2 groups -- the group that has done evil and the group that has done good.
Who Takes The Souls After Death?
Sometimes Mohammed states that THE Angel of Death takes the souls after death and at another he says that there are ANGELS who take the souls at the time of death and at yet another time Mohammed states that it is in fact Allah who takes the souls. The relevant verses are listed below.
(Koran 32:11)
THE ANGEL of death, put in charge of you will take your souls then shall ye be brought back to your Lord.
(Koran 47:27)
But how will it be when the ANGELS take their souls at death, and smite their faces and their backs?
(Koran 39:42)
It is Allah that takes the souls of men at death; and those that die not He takes during their sleep...
During The Birth Of Jesus How Many Angels Spoke To Mary?
According to the Koran how many angels spoke to the virgin Mary at the time of the announciation of Jesus's birth? Well, Mohammed was no too sure about this, so he said that there were several angels in one verse and in the other he states that there was only one.
(Koran 3:42)
Behold! the ANGELS said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee...
(Koran 3:45)
Behold! the ANGELS said: "O! Mary! Allah giveth thee...
(Koran 19:17)
...Then We sent to her (Mary) Our ANGEL...
Aside from the one angel Vs. many angels contradiction you will notice that Mohammed mostly refers to Allah as a singular entity throughout the Koran. However, he is not consistent with this as we see in the above verse where Mohammed says WE not I. Clearly he refers to Allah as a plural entity in this verse. There are many other such verses in the Koran (Refer to verses 21:43-51 and other such verses which I have written below). God cannot make such a glaring mistake and therefore, it must be Mohammed who is stating these verses in the Koran.
The "We" in this case refers to the pagan Gods of pre-Islamic Arabia. Mohammed took a lot from the scriptures of the Pagans, Jewish, Christian and Vedic faiths and insidiously distorted their meanings to suit his devilish needs.
Infinite Loop Problem
Now I will show that if we hold the following verses to be true then they will lead us to an infinite loop and eventually making the same verses invalid.
(Koran 26:192-196)
Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the
worlds: with it came down the Spirit of Faith and
Truth to thy heart and mind...in the prespicuous
Arabic tongue, without doubt it is announced in the
writings of revealed Books of former peoples.
In this sura, we find that Koran is announced in the earlier writings. First point to note here is that none of the earlier revelations were in Arabic. For example, the earlier writings were Torah and Injil written in Hebrew and Greek.
Two contradictions arise immediately:
1. How can an Arabic Koran be contained in books of other languages?
2. For verses (26:192-196) to be true, an earlier revelation X (for example) has to include those very verses (26:192-196) since the Koran is properly contained in all earlier revelations. Now, having those verses in the revelation X means that X itself has to be contained in yet another earlier revelation Y. Applying the same logic, Y has to be contained in yet another earlier revelation Z and so on. We find ourselves in an infinte loop which proves the absurdity of the verses (26:192-196)
Scientific Contradictions
The Koran teaches us that there are seven heavens one above the other and that the stars are in the lower heaven, but the moon is in the midst of the seven heavens.
However, in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.
pelling gravity. |
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(Koran 67:3-5)
He Who created the seven heavens, one above the
other...And WE have adorned the lowest heaven with
lamps ...
(Koran 71:15-16)
Do you not see how God has created the seven heavens
one above the other, and made the moon a light in their
midst,and made the sun as a lamp?
(Koran 71:41:12)
And He completed the seven heavens in two
days and inspired in each heaven its command;
and We adorned the lower heaven with lamps,
and rendered it guarded...
Firstly, the Koran states that there are seven heavens in universe. Any sane person who has studied a bit of Modern Astronomy can tell that the conception of seven heavens was nothing but a result of Mohammed's absurd imagination. Muslim compliers try to cover up this serious flaw in the Koran by saying that the expression should be considered poetic rather than scientific.
Secondly, Koran claims that the stars are in a lower or even lowest heaven, while the moon is in a middle heaven. Even a child in primary standard knows today that the stars are much much further away from the earth than the moon.
Solomon listens to ants
The Koran talks about an incident where Somolom listens to ants while they are "talking".
(Koran 27:18-19)
At length, when they came to a valley of ants, one of
the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations,
lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot)
without knowing it."
So he smiled amused at her speech; and he said: "O my Lord! so order me that I may be grateful for Thy favours, which Thou has bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may work the righteousness that will please Thee: And admit me, by Thy Grace to the ranks of Thy Righteous Servants."
This in deed is a new discovery by Mohammed about ants which directly contradicts the scientific fact that ants communicate using smells, not modulation of sounds. Solomon could not have heard any talk since ants do not produce any sound.
The Embryonic Development
Koran clearly states that human beings are formed from a clot of blood
(Koran 23:14)
Then WE made the sperm into a clot of congealed
blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump;
then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the
bones with flesh
This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It ignores to mention the female egg (the second and equally important half) and the process of fertilization when egg and sperm unite to form one new cell.
It mentions the obvious (the sperm), the visible, that which all mankind knew for a long time which is necessary to create a human. But the Koran does NOT mention the invisible (the female egg), which we know only through modern medicine.
Sun-set and Sun-Rise
Koran also teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring.
(Koran 18:86)
Till, when he [the traveller Zul-qarnain]
reached the setting-place of the sun,
he found it going down into a muddy spring...
(Koran 18:90)
Till, when he reached the rising-place of the
sun, he found it rising on a people for whom
WE had appointed no shelter from it.
Firstly, It is scientifically proven that the sun does not go down in a muddy spring.
Secondly, this seems to presuppose a flat earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? It does not say, he went as far as possible on land in these directions and then observed the sun-rise or sun-set while standing at this shore. A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting "far away". It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the sun sets and in his second journey the place where it rises.
Why Stars Were Created
Koran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils.
(Koran 67:5)
And We have (from of old), adorned the lowest
heaven with lamps, and we have made such
(Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans...
(Koran 37:6-8)
We have indeed decked the lower heaven with
beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for
guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans.
(So) they should not strain their ears in the
direction of the Exalted Assembly but be
cast away from every side.
Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find Mohammed getting high on his weird imagination.
Sun And Moon Are Subject To Humans?
Koran also reveals the truth that sun and moon are subject to humans.
(Koran 37:6-8)
And He has made subject to you the sun and the moon,
both diligently persuing their courses; and the
night and the day has He (also) made subject to you.
Unfortunately, a human can never bring the sun and the moon subject to himself/herself. They always take their turn and pursue their courses whether they want or not. Sun, moon, day or night are not influenced by anyone's personal wish.
Why Mountains Were Created
Koran clearly explains that mountains were set on the earth so that the earth does not shake when earthquakes take place.
(Koran 21:31)
And We have set on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them
(Koran 16:15)
And He has cast onto the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you..
(Koran 31:10)
He has created the heavens without supports that you can see, and has cast onto the earth firm mountains lest it should shake with you..
Its very obvious that Mohammed was completely ignorant about the geological reasoning for existance of mountains. He saw that mountains are huge and heavy. So a good way to explain their existence is to say that mountains prevent earthquakes.
Firstly, this particular reason for existence of mountains is a direct contradiction with modern Geology. Geology proves to us that movement of tectonic plates or earthquake itself cause mountains to be formed.
Secondly, if mountains are created to stop the earth from shaking why several dozens of earthquakes happen every year ?
Moon Has Its Own Light?
Koran reveals to us that moon has its own light!
(Koran 10:5)
It is He who made the sun to be a shining glory and
the moon to be a light...
Evreryone in the modern world knows that moon does not have any light of its own.
Everything is Created in Pairs?
The following verse tells us that Allah created everything in pairs. For example, sex in plants and animals, day and night, forces of attraction and repulsion, etc.
(Koran 51:49)
And of every thing WE have created pairs:
that ye may receive instruction.
However, Mohammed in his simplistic observation of the world did not notice that there are some things in this world which are not in pairs. For example, bacteria, fungi imperfecti, etc. are members of the Monera Kingdom and reproduce asexually only! The European population of Elodea consists of plants of the same sex as well and therefore they also reproduce through asexual means.
Another example of things not in pairs is the gravitational force. The gravitational force is an attractive force. It does not have a counterpart. There is no such thing as repelling gravity.
Historical Contradictions
Moses And The Samaritan
The Koran tells us that the calf worshipped by the Israelites at Mt. Horeb was molded by a Samaritan. This is stated in the verses (20:85-87, 95-97).
(Koran 20:85)
We have tested the people in thy absence: The
Samaritan has led them astray.
(Koran 20:87)
...Of the whole people, and we threw them into the
fire and that was what the Samaritan suggested.
The word "Samaritan" was not coined until 722 B.C.--several years after the events recorded in the Exodus. This implies that the Samaritan people could not have existed during the life of Moses and were not the ones who molded the calf.
Some Muslims go out of their way in trying to explain this. They say that the actual word here is "Samiri" or "Shomer". However, they should not deviate from the original Arabic which clearly spells out the word "Samaritan".
Obviously, Mohammed had no knowledge of History or when all the events took place, so he jumbled up everything.
Gospel Existed During The Time Of Moses?
(Koran 7:157)
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered
Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own
(Scriptures),- in the Taurant and the Gospel...
Notice that the above verse is in present tense and thus the obvious problem is that the Gospel was not yet revealed at that time!
Haman - A minister of the Pharoah?
(Koran 28:8)
...For Pharaoh and Haman and all their hosts were Men of sin.
(Koran 28:38)
...therefore, O haman! light me a klin to bake bricks
out of clay, and build me a loftly palace...
Here the Koran clearly implies that Haman and the Pharaoh existed at the same time and place. But History tells us otherwise. The Pharaoh lived during the time of Moses and Haman served as a minister of Ahasuerus (Xerxes I). The Koranic verse in this case contains not only an error in location, but also an error of time as well (1,000 years).
Once again the Koran proves to us that either Mohammed had no real knowledge of History or he chose to distort it to suit his evil needs. |
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erm.. barney50...
can you give YOUR definition on Word of God?
Maybe the Word of God that you think not like mine(as a muslim) |
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I thought word of GOD is what GOD had said so and so but in the Quran it is different. In the Quran it is like someone else saying it is so and so. In that case you cannot call them words of GOD but being narrated by Mohammed the founder of Islam. Pease correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Originally posted by barney50 at 3-1-2007 05:38 PM
I thought word of GOD is what GOD had said so and so but in the Quran it is different. In the Quran it is like someone else saying it is so and so. In that case you cannot call them words of GOD bu ...
human (not including the Prophet) cannot see Allah and even hear His saying..
but Muhammad is His Messenger.. |
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So, if I write something to that effect and claim it as word of GOD, would you accept it? Did the followers of Mohammed had the chance to analyze what Mohammed had said? Or did they accept his word as solemn truth? Or was it because he quoted the OT that they believe it must be of GOD's word? Need clarification from experts such as anti_aktivis or i212...... |
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Originally posted by barney50 at 3-1-2007 06:01 PM
So, if I write something to that effect and claim it as word of GOD, would you accept it? Did the followers of Mohammed had the chance to analyze what Mohammed had said? Or did they accept his word ...
errr do u really understand
Does it specificly said script for exactly what ever god have talk?
Ki ki |
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anti_aktivs,
It's you who do not understand as you see to be blinded by ignorance. It is obvious and yet you failed to see the truth behind Islam and its rise during the time of the caliphs. Is Islam really for the spiritual growth of mankind or a political entity that intends to control the lives of its followers so that it can stay in power as long as it wants. Thinik hard and think well because all that you had dreamed may not be there when you leave the present world in the hope of seeing the promised haven. |
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Whether Al Quran is Word of God or not is not important. WHETHER Muslims follow what they think is Word of God IS important.
Frankly speaking, Muslims ARE Islam's greatest Enemies. ;) |
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umpiretwinotter This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by barney50 at 4-1-2007 06:32 AM
anti_aktivs,
It's you who do not understand as you see to be blinded by ignorance. It is obvious and yet you failed to see the truth behind Islam and its rise during the time of the caliphs. Is ...
Barney, I see you've been running your mouth badly.
I want you to do us a small favor:
Please rate your understanding of Islam, in the scale of 1 to 10 (1 being the lowest, 10 the highest). |
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Originally posted by barney50 at 4-1-2007 06:32 AM
anti_aktivs,
It's you who do not understand as you see to be blinded by ignorance. It is obvious and yet you failed to see the truth behind Islam and its rise during the time of the caliphs. Is ...
Errrrr I believe u understand what I have post , errr ur comment a bit off topic? |
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- rewsponded by umpiretwinotter: Barney, I see you've been running your mouth badly.
- I want you to do us a small favor:
- Please rate your understanding of Islam, in the scale of 1 to 10 (1 being the lowest, 10 the highest).
There is nothing to rate as Islam is not something that one needs to go to Harvard to study. The Quran is widre open and so are the hadith and it is self explainatory. Whatever I have posted are from the hadith and Quran and if you can proof me wrong. Can you say those verses are not from the Quran and hadith. If those are not than it must be from the book of the DEVIL. Please enlighten me... |
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Iman_6 This user has been deleted
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Barney oh barney :nerd:
tergelak aku dibuatnya...
rasa nak jawab pun ader ..
tapi tak tau nak mula dengan yg maner dulu..
sebab terlalu banyak yg dia copy paste kan...
kUi.. |
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The 2:23 is so simple. Get helpers of your faith to aid in writing up a alternative chapter of any Soora of your choosing and then get witnesses from your faith [mentioned as besides Allah] to the completion of your work to see whether its content has merit to show that you have indeed created something worthy of the task.
Iman_6,
You call that a challenge? Oh! I understand for converts [ beside Arab Muslims ] like you think it would be impossible to write something like that? You are nuts. These suras are nothing but written in poetic version by Jewish & Persian poets who converted to Islam during the time of Mohammed. There is nothing impossible about it and Fuzzman's challenge looks childish. When in this world of technology scientis can create clone while Muslims like you are deluded into what has been written in the Quran. Get a life and think of something better to do than asking such childish thing. |
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Originally posted by barney50 at 4-1-2007 06:47 PM
The 2:23 is so simple. Get helpers of your faith to aid in writing up a alternative chapter of any Soora of your choosing and then get witnesses from your faith to the completion of your work to s ...
so u call this bla bla bla is fact to refute others challenge? Ki ki ki |
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Originally posted by barney50 at 4-1-2007 03:46 PM
There is nothing to rate as Islam is not something that one needs to go to Harvard to study. The Quran is widre open and so are the hadith and it is self explainatory. Whatever I have posted are from the hadith and Quran and if you can proof me wrong. Can you say those verses are not from the Quran and hadith. If those are not than it must be from the book of the DEVIL. Please enlighten me...
Come on Barney boy...what's your level of understanding? If as simple as "copy&paste", of course you dont have to go to havard, infact you dont have to attend primary school for that! Your just repeat the issues many times and people had explained to you many times..they are too tired answering your bad mouth...people did notice your bad intents, and do you think you deserve to be anwered politely? Please la Barney Boy, just look through all your posts and notice how bad your remarks towards Islam, God, prophets, ulamak, and muslim, women..etc. If for argument sake, peole might continue with a good manner of counter argument..but you yourself asked to be treated like sh*t. What type of person are you actually? Freedom fighter for other people religion? but your religion itself practise full of craps? Just look at your religion first before badmouth others..peace barney boy! |
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anti_aktivis,
My reply is very clear and you have made no point so I rest my case. |
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Post time 3-1-2007 04:44 PM
变色卡
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