Christian is the only major religion that doesnt have sacred language

if vulgarity existed in almost every known language, what's so sacred about it?

answer it? no?

Obersliutenant

in this case youre right Weedkiller, in every language there is means to describe things we see and things we do, im just waiting if GreekGod woud tell us if what he meant was original language or sacred language..

greekgod

Originally posted by Obersliutenant at 23-1-2007 10:54 AM
You see Language is made up of alphabets, numericals and symbols that is formulated to form a meaning and over time it adapts and changes much to the understanding of a particular society, tribe or culture. So basicly what hes saying and i woud like to know is, Does the Christian Bible have an original language?

At first language is a sign made of sounds. Nots alphabet or numericals nor symbols. These three is a form to deliver and keep an empiric way on how the sound should later be reproduce. But, i guess i dont have to elaborate too much on this, im not expert, and i dont think you guys want to learn about this.

Languages, evolve over time - addition and depletion, or perhaps alteration. The purpose of language is for communication, and sacred language to deliver God's revelation.

That is why in Jewish Tradition, Talmud will not be read in other languages but Hebrew, and Quran can not be recited none other but Arabic.

Then someone come and say, because of bad, dirty and vulgar words existed, it cannot make a language a sacred language.

He (or perhaps she, emotionally) come with proof of cursing someone in arabic, and claims that arabic cannot be sacred language due to the complication. But, he/she must have forgotten, that languages evolved through time, and again, Arabic wasnt put in a one day process to the people before or during Muhammad's time. The root of language of Arabic was traced back to the same root as Hebrew, and we can even see similarities like both started from right to left.

And saying it sacred not in a daily of sacred, but philosophically saying "preserve" and "delivery". It was revealead in a toungue and preserved till today, that is sacred language, not because it has the word "sex", therefore it cannot be sacred and should be treated as sex book instead. But, is this the contextual of for what the message was delivered?

Asking me? Na-ah, i dont think Christianity have any real sacred language. Not because it is a universal religion, but because they just dont have the original book, and history shown that NO book was written during the time of Jesus.

well if you say that arabic is USED purely to recite the Quran and not for daily usage then that's what I called sacred.

sa穋red (sā'krĭd)
adj.

• Dedicated to or set apart for the worship of a deity.

but then again we hear people speak and write arab in their daily life. and if vulgarity existed in almost every known language, what's so sacred about it?

your answer instead of heckling around?

[ Last edited by  weedkiller at 23-1-2007 04:20 PM ]

Obersliutenant

Dont want to learn about this? haha unfortunately Greek God  i do...  meaning/language in itself is not static therefore it is certainly a type of creature that changes all the time .

The purpose of language is for communication, and sacred language to deliver God's revelation.(Greek God, 2007)

this i agree, how cud God Communicate efficiently to His followers without an original language? the meaning has to be transmitted Someway but not any other way but a common root before it is being translated into different/other languages. That is why in Jewish Tradition, Talmud will not be read in other languages but Hebrew, and Quran can not be recited none other but Arabic(Quoted GreekGod, 007) .Many people have difficulty in understanding the meaning of the text because they dont unnderstand the original language.

Obersliutenant

Originally posted by weedkiller at 23-1-2007 04:18 PM
well if you say that arabic is USED purely to recite the Quran and not for daily usage then that's what I called sacred.

sa穋red (sā'krĭd) http://content.answers.com/main/content/im ...

Well every language has definitions for many different things, maybe it isnt the sacredness is he talking about .. anw, i'd like to ask ...does the Bible have an original language?

why ask me when you can ask the Christians, Obersliutenant

the text and the language itself is both a different entity. sacred means that it's used solely for religious purposes. and language is certainly not used for religious purposes only, it's used in our daily life.

if you say that a religious text IS sacred and that it has to be read in the original language that it was revealed onto just to preserve it's originality and wholesomeness, then it's acceptable. but how could we say that a language is sacred when it's full of vulgarity?

[ Last edited by  weedkiller at 23-1-2007 04:37 PM ]

Obersliutenant

Im really sorry if  i thought you were, so are you a free thinker? pardon if i may be mistaken again

thats what i want to know, i lack depth in understanding the meaning of a sacred language ... is there really such a thing ? Language is not a static entity however i take language at its most basic function as means to communicate and to bridge understanding . Meanwhile, i too question GreekGods elaboration on a 'sacred language' .

Originally posted by greekgod at 22-1-2007 02:35 PM
Hums.. Jesus told about salvation? Thought that he told of believing into god, but was it really through salvation?!

You can only prove this if you have the original text that was sent to Jesus and his Disciples...

Err.. what do you mean here? You know what you were talking about or not (again)?

greekgod

Originally posted by spiritdivine at 24-1-2007 10:26 AM



Err.. what do you mean here? You know what you were talking about or not (again)?

How do you prove my case above to the otherwise? By putting forward the real text written by Jesus' disciples isnt it...

And of sacrecity, it doesnt matter the way you view it, but the way people understand it.

Bible spoke of bad thing (i read somewhere in this forum, that bible spoke of porno), but doest viewed by its reader as porno book.

Quran spoke of bad behavioral, but people doesnt view it as unethical book.

Hindu's books spoke of so many tales, yet people doesnt call it comic book.

Why? Because people view it as a sacred book. The same applies to language. The true existence for language is for communication - delivery of meaning. Later, people interpolated it to fit their needs. Remember, a word doesnt pop up like a seed from the soil, someone must have to create it. So with the vulgar words.

Dont need to explain much, but the true fact that no one has yet to come to deny is: Christianity is the only religion that doesnt have sacred word.

and if vulgarity existed in almost every known language, what's so sacred about it?<br />
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your answer?

and what's sacrecity by the way? you can't even master english language, but yet you insist on talking about sacred language?

[ Last edited by  weedkiller at 25-1-2007 05:20 PM ]

Nick_Perelman

Originally posted by greekgod at 19-1-2007 09:07 PM
Guys, we are to notice something about Christianity, we can observe that it is the only religion that doesnt have sacred language, unlike to:

Hindu - Sanskrit
Islam - Arab
Jewish Tradition  ...

Thats very natural, because Christianity is the UNIVERSAL religion. Thats why in Christianity all languages are equal. Is not that silly and absurd, that hundreds of millions of Muslims pray in language that they dont understand?

Obersliutenant

one language is better understood rather than too many, it unites understanding. Universality is such a vague term.  Well maybe a number of muslims may not understand arabic, but the meaning will never change because it has a common root, an origin it can refer to and therefore the sanctity of the text is restored without having being confused in the vagueness of 'universality'....

without an original language, it does confuse the original meaning. You cant say as an advantage that christianity is 'universal in terms of its varied outlets of language but without an original language, where is the original meaning ? where is the intended message ? How is it ensured that the message is not confused with different forms of literal representation?  Because we are made of different races and nations, we all speak in different toungues, different toungues, different alphabets  and even different grammatical structures.  Does not all this confuse the original message ? If the Bible were to be written in english and then translated into Finnish, most certainly it would cause disruptions in the understanding of the Bible itself . I hope anyone can tell me if  the Christian Bible have an original language?

Nick_Perelman

Originally posted by Obersliutenant at 25-1-2007 09:36 PM
Well maybe a number of muslims may not understand arabic

Its not number, but the wast majority. Including the Muslims on this board

How is it ensured that the message is not confused with different forms of literal representation?

Use a proper translation. You dont read Koran in Arabic, are not you? So how can u be assured that u are not confused?

I hope anyone can tell me if  the Christian Bible have an original language?

I am reading the Bible in it's original language - Hebrew.

wira_melayu

Thats very natural, because Christianity is the UNIVERSAL religion. Thats why in Christianity all languages are equal.

Yes i agree,with so many translation it makes thousand of mistakes and meanings.It's ironic when you think you're reading the real thing but it's not.

Obersliutenant

youre not answering the question .... truly is Hebrew the original language of the Bible ?

Debmey

one language is better understood rather than too many, it unites understanding. Universality is such a vague term.  Well maybe a number of muslims may not understand arabic, but the meaning will never change because it has a common root, an origin it can refer to and therefore the sanctity of the text is restored without having being confused in the vagueness of 'universality'....

First of all, the Bible is written in a language that can be understood.
Translations do not change the original text and can always be refered back to so there can be no misunderstanding.
In the case of the Quran, the problem is worst than inaccuracies in translation but total confusion itself that muslim schorlars cannot reconcile.
Quran too has its load of translations too. If what Obe say is true, why even bother top translate quran at all?

Obersliutenant

eh im not talking about the Quran lah ... why are you so insecure?  The Bahavagad Gita is written in Sanskrit, the Quran in Arabic , and the Torah in Hebrew.. and the Bible ? what was the original language of the Bible?

First of all, the Bible is written in a language that can be understood.
Translations do not change the original text and can always be refered back to so there can be no misunderstanding.


Wrong, without an original language... understanding a text coud pose serious problems to different societies and different cultures , there woud be  no unision to grasp a common meaning due to the different existing different literal behaviours of different societies.

[ Last edited by  Obersliutenant at 26-1-2007 10:01 AM ]

Debmey

NT written in Greek sir, Greek is a living language. So whats the problem?

Obersliutenant

Greek Is a living language like all the rest Doh! even chinese and english have stark grammatical differences let alone Greek. So if the New testament is written in Greek what woud be the Bible? Perelman sed the Bible was written in hebrew are you sure ? because the Torah was also written in Hebrew ...