Saudi in US$8.9b deal with Britain for Eurofighter

Debmey

How do you know it will be inferior?

I think the typhoon is a very good aircraft.... far outclass the F15 or even the F18... but the weapons and avionics package also must see first laaa... but in flight performance it is way better than the F15I...

alphawolf

Maksud kat situ ialah bila Arab Saudi keluar duit nak beli pesawat...duit punya pasal, apa tuduhan yang kerajaan arab saudi tak demokratik, tolak tepi....

tapi kalau sebut pasal rasuah...macam kes pembelian program al-yamamah yang terdahulu tu le...

IceMallet

C'mon lar..the Zionist would sure demand the US to sell inferior F22s (in terms of weaponry and avionics) to the Saudis

Debmey

First of all, what you said is plain speculation.
BTW, the F22 is much better than the Typhoon. so it doesn't make sense if you are talking about quality of the aircraft.

alien7749

Saudi's F-15S is an inferior version of F-15E, while Israeli F-15I is superior than the standard F-15E.

Debmey

You see, its OK for Saudis to have a different version of the same aricraft. So thats not the issue here.
As for the Israelis, they do have capabilities to upgrade their aircraft even if you sell them an knock off version. All countries are entitled to upgrade aircrafts on their own if they have the capability.

Debmey

You see, its OK for Saudis to have a different version of the same aricraft. So thats not the issue here.
As for the Israelis, they do have capabilities to upgrade their aircraft even if you sell them an knock off version. All countries are entitled to upgrade aircrafts on their own if they have the capability.

IceMallet

If any country wants to upgrade their wepaon, bought from the US, must have permission first..even if Saudis have the capabilities, again the Dubuk's gay buddies from Zionistland will demand the US not to aloow any modifications..

alien7749

USA - We sell what we want.

Europe - We sell what you want but no better than what we have.

Russia - We sell everything.

Debmey

Originally posted by IceMallet at 20-9-2007 11:08 AM
If any country wants to upgrade their wepaon, bought from the US, must have permission first..even if Saudis have the capabilities, again the Dubuk's gay buddies from Zionistland will demand the  ...

Why would the americans restrict saudis from upgrades if they can?

again, f22 is a much btter jet than typhoon, so quality or israelis simply cannot be the issue here.

IceMallet

Well, its depends on the Typhoon's weapon and avionics package that was offered to the Saudis...

We all know the US wont allow any upgrade to Saudis fighters, if this meant that the Saudis have weapon equalling or better than Zionistland

Debmey

the typhoon isn't stealth. how can it possibly beat the F22?

besides, don't you know that the f22 is not for sale to other countries?

[ Last edited by  Debmey at 20-9-2007 12:31 PM ]

IceMallet

Stealth isnt everything la...anyway, u make US foreign policy ka? Didnt the US agree in principle to allow the sale of F22s to Japan?

jazim

Originally posted by alphawolf at 18-9-2007 04:34 PM
Tak abis2 dia ni dengan Sudan...mesti banyak terbaca pasal 'rahsia lelaki sudan' ni....

Ntahnya karang tengok2 dia yg tidor menonggeng kat hospital PBB di Darfur tu! (kes dapat barang Sudan)

Robotech

USA - We sell what we want.

Europe - We sell what you want but no better than what we have.

Russia - We sell everything.

Ahhhh, the mantra of international arms trade. Why don't we include China too ...

China - We sell everything for anything.

Debmey

Originally posted by IceMallet at 20-9-2007 03:48 PM
Stealth isnt everything la...anyway, u make US foreign policy ka? Didnt the US agree in principle to allow the sale of F22s to Japan?

No they did not. No foreign sale for F22. You have not been up to date on this matter.

escortburuk

Originally posted by Debmey at 20-9-2007 10:53 AM
You see, its OK for Saudis to have a different version of the same aricraft. So thats not the issue here.
As for the Israelis, they do have capabilities to upgrade their aircraft even if you sel ...

I think you should read this news. It is not easy as ABC to upgrade American fighters you know. Even Australia, one of America greatest ally in this region has been denied access to the codes.

Australia 'cracked top-secret US jet fighter codes'By Don Woolford
September 20, 2007 04:23pm
Article from: AAP


KIM Beazley has told how Australia cracked top-secret American combat aircraft codes while he was defence minister in the 1980s.

"We spied on them and we extracted the codes," Mr Beazley told Parliament during his valedictory speech today.
Mr Beazley, who was defence minister from 1984 to 1990, said that when he took over the job he soon learned that the radar on Australia's Hornets could not identify most potentially hostile aircraft in the region.
In other words, Australia's frontline fighter could not shoot down enemies in the region.
Mr Beazley said he was greatly tempted to "belt" the Liberals with this and lay to rest their claim to be best at managing defence.
"I shut up, I said nothing," Mr Beazley said.
"I went to the US and for five years, up hill and down dale, with one knock-down, drag-out after another, with Cap Weinberger, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, I tried to get the codes of that blasted radar out of them.
"In the end we spied on them and we extracted the codes ourselves and we got another radar that could identify (enemy planes).
Mr Beazley said the Americans were Australia's most important ally.
"But they are a bunch of people you have to have a fight with every now and then to get what you actually need out of them," he said.
Mr Beazley said that the story of getting the Hornet codes was well known within Defence, but not beyond it.
He said the problem was that the old codes related to Warsaw Pact aircraft, rather than ones in Australia's region.
The Americans kept saying they'd provide the codes, but never did.
"So we tried to crack the codes so we could enhance them," Mr Beazley said.
"And we made a lot of progress."
Mr Beazley said the Americans knew what the Australians were doing and were intrigued by the progress they made.

Perhaps this is also a reason the RSAF opted for the Typhoons. Perhaps the European is not as "stingy" as the Americans

Debmey

so have msians cracked the code yet? We certainly did.

escortburuk

With the help of the Israelis I presume?

[ Last edited by  escortburuk at 21-9-2007 04:23 PM ]