harga saham jatuh...masa utk beli saham?

savvylady

agak2 kalo beli saham skang, and then peram sampai harga naik tinggi - maybe 2-3 years after recession, ok ke?
lepas gawat, pasti harga naik tinggi seperti sebelum ni kan?

utk pakar2 and penganalisis saham, any suggestion saham kompeni mana yg berpotensi tinggi?

frapamocha

Pernah berkecimpung dalam pasaran saham ke tak???
Kalau ada pengalaman dlm pasaran saham, buatlah homework sikit. Which sector to invest in and which sector to avoid. Skrg ni, walaupun harga saham dah jatuh byk, risikonya masih tinggi. Plantation out, construction dan property juga out. Banking pun out. O&G okay tp target price semua dah di revised. Returns cos. yg listed mostly affected.  Kebanyakannya DOWN di sbbkan exports DOWN, projects postponed, awarded contract ditarik balik. Skrg timbul pulak masaalah baru, ada company yg mengalami kerugian FOREX. Co yg byk foreign investment. So kena tahu dan ambil tahu ....sebelum buat keputusan nak beli saham co mana. Silap beli counter, tak tidor nyenyak jdnya.
HIGH RISK = HIGH RETURNS

Kalau nak tidor nyenyak, sy rekomen melabur dlm unit trust. Less risk. Stock mkt investment = very high risk.

kirawang

Originally posted by frapamocha at 29-10-2008 12:26 AM
Pernah berkecimpung dalam pasaran saham ke tak???
Kalau ada pengalaman dlm pasaran saham, buatlah homework sikit. Which sector to invest in and which sector to avoid. Skrg ni, walaupun harga sah ...

sis,
saya rasa ada baik sis inform yang sis remiser juga. Very experience remiser.
Nanti ada yg salah faham, sis propose invest in UT, semata mata cuba divert dr share mkt ke UT.

frapamocha

Saya dah masak dgn turun naik pasaran saham, sama dgn turun naik harga cili atau ayam di pasar. Kalau membeli di pasar basah atau dry mkt TTDI, balik masak kenyang keluarga di rumah.  Pelanggan sy yg membelibelah di pasar Bursa Msia, byk yg dah mati(taubat nasuha). Cter yg dibeli byk dah jd hangit dan hangus....dan ada juga yg dah lenyap dimuka bumi. Pelabur saham juga muncul mengikut mkt cycle. Yg dulu jari semua dah hangus(mcm pemain mercun) dah tak main saham lagi.  Nnt muncul darah2 baru yg belum berpengalaman dan mempunyai knowledge yg cetek(mrk yg tidak buat homework)....dan akan jd mangsa juga.

Yg masih bertahan adalah pelabur yg sebenar2nya. Mrk tahu bila nak beli dan bila nak exit dan cter apa yg nak beli.  Selalunya mrk beli based on fundamentals dan technicals. Mrk dah track cter favourite, tau pattern dan support level cter tu kat mana.
Mrk yg beli saham kena selalu monitor dan yg paling penting mesti SIHAT WALAFIAT. Tak ada sakit jantung atau hypertension atau high blood pressure. MARKET CAN BE VERY CRUEL......siapa yg tak kuat, boleh collapse sakit jantung kdg2.

Jd nasihat sy disini, lebih selamat melabur dlm unit trust. Biar fund managers yg arif, yg telah digajikan oleh UTMC, menguruskan dana anda. Mrk mempunyai kewajipan utk memastikan dana yg diurus perform and give good returns. Yg pasti dan sy sendiri boleh guarantee duit pelabur tidak akan hilang atau lenyap(mcm beberapa cter di Bursa Msia).

frapamocha

Heavy selling pressure across Asia led to the high volatility yesterday as the KLCI plunged to a low of 801 before rebounding to end at 832.44, down 26.7pts or 3.1% for the day. Falling CPO prices continued to be negative for plantation stocks. Banks were also under pressure led by Commerz and Hong Leong Bank, which was down 9% and 5% respectively. Overall sentiment was negative with 646 losers thumping 187 gainers with another 139 counters unchanged. With Wall Street rebounding sharply overnight, the local bourse could see some follow through buying today.

TENOK

kak...kawan saya agen UT beriya iya rekomen tahun lepas suruh melabur di UT,alih alih lebur jugak kak,nilai pelaburan saya dah bkurangan banyak.menyesal saya tak labur dlm asb.

frapamocha

UT ni, tak boleh tgk short-term returns. It is mid-longterm investment. U will see handsome rewards kalau simpan 3-5 tahun. Tahun lepas berbeza sikit sbb bull run, boleh dpt 30-40% dlm setahun kalau u jual.
Kena byk bersabar.
Pelanggan sy dulu msk ms time tinggi,pastu mkt turun mendadak. lambat mkt nak recover sbb byk malapetaka dunia berlaku. Akhirnya tahun lepas jual sbb mendapat returns hampir 100% dan ada yg lebih 100%.
Returns = Capital Appreciation/Growth + Distribution Income.
Pulangan = Harga NAV(seunit) meningkat + Unit Percuma melalui pengagihan unit

lipans

Bila panik seantero dunia ni dah hilang dan ekonomi kembali stabil, masa itulah untuk kembali membeli. Buat masa ni, tido je la...

tobby

BUY LOW SELL HIGH.  perkara basic yg org selalu lupa.

Law nih berkuat kuasa dlm apa keadaan juga. baik saham, UT, komoditi, emas......   masa harga sedang peak hari tu tak silap aku masih ada ejen yg propose supaya korang beli byk2. so coba-cobalah renungkan balik, sekarang harga seunit saham dah menjunam.....berapa lama nak tunggu harga tu peak semula.......klu ikut historical graf ada stock yg perlu melalui cycle sampai 10 tahun baru boleh cecah balik harga peak tsebut. syarikat2 Tech international mcm pembuat processor Intel suatu masa dulu seunit saham pernah cecah sampai usd74. tapi selepas 10 tahun paling tinggi boleh naik balik pun setakat usd33.

after wait for 10 yrs, so what next?  so need to ask the next question, when should you sell to cut yr losses? don't wait until 10 yrs to ask this question.  but if you dare to ask, hopefully nobody advice you to wait for another 10 yrs.

persoalannya kenapa hari tu ko tak sempat cairkan UT ko & letak dlm FD buat sementara waktu?  ejen ko tak sempat kasi nasihat suruh cepat2 cairkan duit ko tu ker?

kirawang

Originally posted by tobby at 31-10-2008 03:42 AM
BUY LOW SELL HIGH.  perkara basic yg org selalu lupa.
..
klu ikut historical graf ada stock yg perlu melalui cycle sampai 10 tahun baru boleh cecah balik harga peak tsebut

like say anda beli dengan klci 1500.

tak payah tunggu klci 1500 balik untuk dpaat untung dan break even

Tanya je yang arif disekeliling kita.

omono22

Originally posted by savvylady at 28-10-2008 11:49 PM
agak2 kalo beli saham skang, and then peram sampai harga naik tinggi - maybe 2-3 years after recession, ok ke?
lepas gawat, pasti harga naik tinggi seperti sebelum ni kan?

utk pakar2 and pen ...

kalau peram 2,3 tahun, mesti okey punye , tp paling baik tunggu 3 -5 thn la.

kahmadz

Strategy yg baik....
cuba check company blue chip....
buy company with:
1. Sound fundamentals, either govt backup/sound business
2. Cash rich
3. Minimal or no debts
4.  Sitting on  huge pile of assets
5. High return/equity, high profit/revenue
6. Excellent management

Research your company well b4 u buy...
tip: read at least their last 5 year annual report before you buy

p.s: remember, buy low, sell dear

[ Last edited by  kahmadz at 3-11-2008 11:12 AM ]

frapamocha

You hv to do more than read the 5 yr annual report....... if u read Transmile(eg.) annual report for sure u will load on that stock. Mana nak tau ada Accounting irregularities??? Infact, when Transmile was at RM14.00, it is still a 'CAN BUY' stock.  Infact, it is a recommended and rated as "BLUE OCEAN' company. Huhhhh......Tertipu!

Another good company.....KNM, very BIG book value. Gedebukkk!!! limit down few weeks ago......
You have to know what's going on.
Kena ambik tau.....what's flavour of the day.
Dulu Plantation, Construction , Property is the flavour of the day. Skrg dah bertukar.
Cuba kahmadz give few names of co that fit the above criteria that u mention.

kahmadz

Very few frapa, but that's the first things you must check BEFORE you even consider buying...

kuzistylo

time harga jatuh ni la kiter bli saham tu...
tapi untuk long term aku sudjest public mutual atu yang seangkatan dengan nyer..
tu memang tunk long term punyer..:call:

kabukiman

Originally posted by kuzistylo at 3-11-2008 02:12 PM
time harga jatuh ni la kiter bli saham tu...
tapi untuk long term aku sudjest public mutual atu yang seangkatan dengan nyer..
tu memang tunk long term punyer..:call:

yappaddaaa.... teh hong piow blom lagik list public mutual kat bursa malaysia lar.... wat arrr youuu

melia_star

ada bad experience ngn Public Mutual....awal 90-an beli....tup2 ekonomi melecet teruk....dgn keadaan terpaksa kene jual gak pd harga 50-+ sen, walhal beli pd harga 90-1.00 sebelum tu...tp tak salahkan PM la sbb mmg ekonomi sundri pun nk melingkup masa tu....rugi pun rugilah asal dpt membantu survival hidup.....

aleph

ini satu topic yg menarik

satu kem daripada UT: yg promote dan aci kerat jari yg UT tak akan rugi. For your best information, UT dependant to stock dan UT sendiri adalah dalam kata lain STOCK! Bezanya, UT tak dilistkan kat KLSE. Contoh syarikat pengurusan dana yg dilist di KLSE adalah iCapital. UT tak nampak macam rugi sebab dah leverage. UT yg mmoney market depending on market instrument jugak. So all in all, UT itself adalah bersandaran kepada stock market. biarlah cam ner manager tu buat, dia tetap tak create market baru, dia cuma invest dalam market sedia ada.UT pulak buat duit dgn charge entry dan exit fee dan management fee setiap tahun.

kem kedua pulak, ST (stock trading): ada dua group jugak, (1) speculator, (2) investor. sbl melabur banyak benda nak kena consider; EPS, DPS, PER, ROE, dan banyak term lagi.

apa yg membuatkan orng takut dgn stock nih? Sebab banyak orang dah rugi, katanya lah.... saya pulak kata, itu speculator jer... investor, dia tau cam ner nak minimise kerugian dan optimise keuntungan.

tapi bukan senang nak buat semua benda ni...

to me, UT menarik, tapi ST lagi menarik... since UT invest heavily dalam ST, kena kita tak study apa yg UT tu buat dan invest sendiri dalam ST?

dulu, zaman student, i invest heavily dalam UT until i learn so many things from their prospectus - and i turn myself from investing in UT to invest into counters yg that UT invest, of course with thorough study la...

many thanks to god, even during this uncertainties - i made realised profits in two digits percentage, dividend. unrealised profit pun two digits jugak.

dan during this crisis, for heaven, i bought like crazy, since they are cheap... these counters are cheap not because they have mismanagement, but due to sentiment - the speculators who scared of nothing and followeing the herd.

tapi kan, utk invest tu, kira la sendiri duit tu ada brp...

one last paragraph: UT invest heavily in stock and making a huge profit for managing your money, dont you feel like investing directly and bought same counters as the proclaimed good UT bought?

(sorry org yg jual UT, tapi fees kat malaysia mahal, 5 - 6.5%, walhal beli saham fees tak sampai 1% - pastu boleh claim tax pulak utk dividend yg bayar tax)

rarahim

Dah abih bace dari atas, nak mencelah sikit2 bleh..?

Menurut Warren Buffet, ni la mase paling sesuai utk BUY sebab rege tengah down. tapi ada tapi nya. kene make sure study betul2 saham yg nak dibeli tu. make sure company tu blue chip category i.e. kene strong in financial health, prospects, management, cash, etc. yg ni kene bace buku investment la baru dapat ilmu.

Pasal invest terus dalam stock lebih baik dr UT tu... erm.. aku rase ade betul nye kalau dilihat dari segi fees yg kene bayar tu semata2. tapi kene ingat, direct investing ni bukan utk semua orang. Asas pasal investment dan terutama financial statement analysis mesti kuat. kalau tidak, masuk XXX rugi pon XXX, or lebih teruk rugi XXXX . Bile invest dalam UT, duit kite ada dalam safe hands of many professional experienced fund managers with multiple years of industry experience. walaupun naik jatuh nye value UT tu still tied to stock prices, tapi at least ade professional team of fund managers yang sentiasa monitor trend prices dan keadaan semasa to make sure kalau ade anything unfavourable, depa akan alert investor utk switch ke fund yg lebih rendah risiko contohnya, or even utk jual dan ambik untung sekiranya dah capai target. Jadi  bile kite bercakap pasal menggunakan khidmat pakar ni, of course la ade fee nye berbanding dgn kalau buat sendiri. tapi aku sendiri pon setuju kalau dah rase dah ready untuk involve dalam direct stock investing, then by all means, go ahead! aku sokong 100%. Bagi aku, sehingga betul2 mahir dgn selok belok stock market, fundemental dan technical analysis, etc, then ada lebih baik kalau invest dulu dalam UT yg mmg seakan2 invest dalam stock jugak tapi ade cushion dan lebih selamat.

Ada sorang guarantee duit pokok takkan hilang bile melabur dalam UT, aku rase ni kurang tepat dan boleh jadi misleading. No one can guarantee duit principal pelabur tak akan hilang kecuali dalam sesetengah fund tertentu yg mmg explicitly menyatakan pasal capital guarantee, tapi secara umumnya pelaburan dalam UT tak terjamin capital, tapi definitely lebih rendah risiko nya berbanding direct investing.

Dah panjang, nanti aku sambung lain kali.

[ Last edited by  rarahim at 4-11-2008 06:03 PM ]

abdulkhabir

i believe this is the right time to but the stock but which stock>? this need to find out by homework, do some research and tau sikit2 candlestick technique. tak sempat nk belajar la.. semua nak kena kejar.. masa kat ruma hajer baru dapat peluang forum mcm ni, since i believe masa 8 jam kat office kena guna sebaik2 utk office work.