orangbesi posted on 6-9-2014 01:20 PM
.......rasanya semua paderi esp RC mengajarkan bahawa Jesus wujud jauh sebelum kelahiranNya ke du ...
Itu kata2 orang yg tak tahu institusi agamanya sendiri.
Nicene Creed merupakan "rukun" kpd Roman Catholic yg merupakan mazhab utama agama Kristian bagi kebanyakan negara barat dan Asia. Dan dlm rukun ini, mereka sudah menetapkan bahawa Jesus tak pernah wujud sebelum dia dilahirkan sbg manusia, kerana orang2 Rom dulu tak pernah percaya akan roh ataupun reincarnation. Mereka percayai bahawa tuhan mereka mencipta manusia dari tanah dan dihembuskan nyawa ke dalamnya.
Sephiroth posted on 6-9-2014 01:31 PM
Itu kata2 orang yg tak tahu institusi agamanya sendiri.
Nicene Creed merupakan "rukun" kpd Roma ...
Nicene Creed merupakan "rukun" kpd Roman Catholic yg merupakan mazhab utama agama Kristian bagi kebanyakan negara barat dan Asia. Dan dlm rukun ini, mereka sudah menetapkan bahawa Jesus tak pernah wujud sebelum dia dilahirkan sbg manusia, kerana orang2 Rom dulu tak pernah percaya akan roh ataupun reincarnation. Mereka percayai bahawa tuhan mereka mencipta manusia dari tanah dan dihembuskan nyawa ke dalamnya.
iye ke sebegini?
maaf saya tak tahu ttg ini
aku kena belek bible balik leeee
tq
Kamu tahu tak apa akan berlaku sekiranya semua Christian mengikuti ajaran Bible?
Anak2 perempuan akan dijual, homoseksuals akan dihukum mati, mereka2 yg didapati berzina (banyak dikalangan orang Kristian di Malaysia pun) akan dihukum bunuh juga. Kristian dan Islam akan berperang dan dunia akan kembali ke zaman kegelapan.
owhh..
maksud kamu, Bible mengajarkan itu semua?
pelik, kamu yang bukan Kristian lebih tau dari Kristian sendiri..
unoryah posted on 7-9-2014 01:30 PM
owhh..
maksud kamu, Bible mengajarkan itu semua?
pelik, kamu yang bukan Kristian lebih tau dari ...
Oi kawan, tolong belajar Sejarah sikit. Jangan asyik sembunyi dibelakang Bible kamu itu. Tahu macam mana agama kamu itu menpengaruhi dunia ini juga. Ini sikit contoh :
Kamu tahu tak macam mana Bolsheivk Revolution di Russia pada tahun 1907 berlaku? Kerana seorang paderi Kristian yg bernama Rasputin.
Kamu tahu peperangan apa kah yg paling lama dlm sejarah dunia? Peperangan Crusaders yg berlangsung selama lebih kurang 300 tahun antara orang Kristian dan Islam yg menbawa Europah ke kancah kehancuran.
Kamu tahu tak macam mana Peperangan Tai'ping di China di sekitar 1800s berlaku? Kerana seorang China Kristian di sana mendakwa dirinya sbg "Adik Jesus" dan melancarkan peperangan ke atas kerajaan China Ming sehingga 1 juta orang China mati.
Dan ini hanyalah sebahagian kecil "sumbangan" Christianity ke atas Dunia ini.
orangbesi posted on 8-9-2014 12:31 PM
Kerana kedua2nya adalah agama buatan manusia.
Bukti sesuatu agama itu (samada ianya buatan manusia ataupun diberikan oleh Tuhan) datangnya dari pengikut sesuatu agama itu sendiri.
Adalah MUSTAHIL seseorang pengikut sesuatu agama menjadi manusia yg lebih teruk dari Syaitan sekiranya agama yg diikuti itu agama yg sebenarnya. Dan MUSTAHIL seseorang pengikut agama yg teruk macam mana pun terus hidup macam Syaitan sekiranya dia bertaubat dan menpelajari agama serta mengikutinya dgn betul.
Dan ertikata lain - MUSTAHIL untuk :
Manusia menjadi baik dgn mengikuti agama yg salah/palsu.
Manusia menjadi buruk dgn mengikuti agama yg benar.
Sephiroth posted on 6-9-2014 01:31 PM
Itu kata2 orang yg tak tahu institusi agamanya sendiri.
Nicene Creed merupakan "rukun" kpd Roma ...
Nicene Creed merupakan "rukun" kpd Roman Catholic yg merupakan mazhab utama agama Kristian bagi kebanyakan negara barat dan Asia. Dan dlm rukun ini, mereka sudah menetapkan bahawa Jesus tak pernah wujud sebelum dia dilahirkan sbg manusia, kerana orang2 Rom dulu tak pernah percaya akan roh ataupun reincarnation. Mereka percayai bahawa tuhan mereka mencipta manusia dari tanah dan dihembuskan nyawa ke dalamnya.
adakah kita bercakap mengenai Nicene Creed yang sama? Nicene Creed yang saya tahu memang mengakui bahawa Jesus telah wujud sebelum dilahirkan sebagai manusia
Mereka percayai bahawa tuhan mereka mencipta manusia dari tanah dan dihembuskan nyawa ke dalamnya.
unoryah posted on 8-9-2014 01:50 PM
oh ya
dan itu semua disebabkan oleh ajaran Bible?
Kamu boleh buktikan bahawa semua ini terjadi BUKAN kerana ajaran Bible ke? Saya rasa kamu tak boleh.
Tetapi bukti2 Sejarah menunjjukan bahawa sebab kenapa ianya berlaku adalah kerana agama Kristian. Monk Rasputin memang beragama Kristian, ketua agama Kristian di China semasa Revolusi Tai'Ping memang mengaku bahawa dirinya "Adik kpd Jesus" dan merupakan seorang beragama Kristian dan Sejarah memang menunjjukan bahawa Crusade berlaku kerana peperangan antara Christianity dan Islam. Jadi bukti bahawa agama Kristian adalah sebab kerana benda2 ini berlaku memang banyak.
adakah kita bercakap mengenai Nicene Creed yang sama? Nicene Creed yang saya tahu memang mengakui bahawa Jesus telah wujud sebelum dilahirkan sebagai manusia
Cuba kamu tunjjukan di sini apa yg kamu maksudkan? Macam mana aku tahu apa yg kamu maksudkan kalau kamu tak menunjjukannya?
jadi bagi awak manusia dijadikan dari apa?
Itu bukan persoalan di sini. Last edited by Sephiroth on 8-9-2014 01:59 PM
Sephiroth posted on 8-9-2014 01:51 PM
Bukti sesuatu agama itu (samada ianya buatan manusia ataupun diberikan oleh Tuhan) datangnya dari ...
Bukti sesuatu agama itu (samada ianya buatan manusia ataupun diberikan oleh Tuhan) datangnya dari pengikut sesuatu agama itu sendiri.
Adalah MUSTAHIL seseorang pengikut sesuatu agama menjadi manusia yg lebih teruk dari Syaitan sekiranya agama yg diikuti itu agama yg sebenarnya. Dan MUSTAHIL seseorang pengikut agama yg teruk macam mana pun terus hidup macam Syaitan sekiranya dia bertaubat dan menpelajari agama serta mengikutinya dgn betul.
Dan ertikata lain - MUSTAHIL untuk :
Manusia menjadi baik dgn mengikuti agama yg salah/palsu.
Manusia menjadi buruk dgn mengikuti agama yg benar.
AGAMA................mana ada berubah pun kan
hanya manusia je yg pandai2 ubah
sikit atau banyak banyak
dr kitab veda sendiri.........berpecah kan pengikutnya
bible juga.....samakan
AL QURAN ......pun jadi perpecahan dalam pengikutnya
kerana apa?
masing2 nak tunjuk pandai kan
jadi..cuba tengok golonagn yg benar2 ikut kitab yg sedia ada
baru nampak..............apa yg selama ini tidak kelihatan pada kita
dr kitab veda sendiri.........berpecah kan pengikutnya
Kamu tahu apa perbezaan antara kitab Veda dan kitab2 lain? Perbezaannya adalah - kitab Veda (ataupun lebih tepat Bhavagad Gita yg merupakan susulan Vedas di kemudian hari) sudahpun mengatakan bahawa akan tibanya masa depan di mana agama juga akan hilang pedoman dan tak mampu menbawa manusia ke jalan yg baik.
Pada masa itu, dunia ini akan dibersihkan dari manusia2 yg berdosa dan "dikembalikan" kpd keadaan asal. Aku tak tahu macam mana keadaan asal tersebut jadi jangan tanya.
Sephiroth posted on 13-9-2014 06:11 PM
by orangbesi
Kamu tahu apa perbezaan antara kitab Veda dan kitab2 lain? Perbezaannya adalah - kitab Veda (ataupun lebih tepat Bhavagad Gita yg merupakan susulan Vedas di kemudian hari) sudahpun mengatakan bahawa akan tibanya masa depan di mana agama juga akan hilang pedoman dan tak mampu menbawa manusia ke jalan yg baik.
betul ke ni??
maksudnya ada manusia le yg pandai2 mengubah AYAT ASAL kitab veda kan
atau manusia beragama ikut nafsu kehendak masing2
Pada masa itu, dunia ini akan dibersihkan dari manusia2 yg berdosa dan "dikembalikan" kpd keadaan asal. Aku tak tahu macam mana keadaan asal tersebut jadi jangan tanya.
kalau kamu tak tahu, aku lagi le tak tahu
nak di cuba pun ................................................................ada sikit takut daaaaaaa
maksudnya ada manusia le yg pandai2 mengubah AYAT ASAL kitab veda kan atau manusia beragama ikut nafsu kehendak masing2
Siapa yg pandai2 mengubah Kitab Veda? Apa maksud kamu dgn kitab asal? Macam mana kamu tahu samada apa yg orang Hindu ada itu kitab asal ataupun tidak???
kalau kamu tak tahu, aku lagi le tak tahu
nak di cuba pun ................................................................ada sikit takut daaaaaaa
Tak payah takut, masa kamu (orang Islam, Christian dan atheist) bukannya lama sangat di dunia ini. Tuhan aku masih menberikan masa kpd manusia mengubah diri tetapi masa itu sudah menjadi singkat. Dari kurun, menjadi dekad, kemudian tahun dan kini, hari demi hari.
Kamu buka pintu depan rumah kamu esok, belum tentu dunia di luar kamu kekal spt apa yg kamu ingat hari sebelumnya ataupun sedang terbakar. Kamu tengok siang hari yg jelas dan belum tentu esok, ianya akan kekal sedemikian ataupun seluruh dunia ini akan diselubungi oleh kegelapan yg akan berterusan setahun lebih. Last edited by Sephiroth on 18-9-2014 08:32 AM
There is not one shred of evidence in the Bible—or even in the gnostic "gospels" for that matter—that Jesus Christ ever married a woman. The more one is familiar with the Bible, the more illogical that idea is. Consider these points:
• If Jesus was married to a woman, surely it would be recorded in at least one of the four Gospels or mentioned somewhere in the many New Testament verses on marriage. Yet there is not so much as a hint of it.
• Jesus had to focus entirely on His mission. Knowing He would have to give His life as a sacrifice for all humanity, it would have been incomprehensible that He would marry someone whom He would shortly leave a widow.
• Marriage to a woman would have created great confusion about the present and future role of His wife. Should she be adored and worshipped?
It's a ludicrous mistake to form opinions about Jesus and His followers based on the paintings of artists who never saw them. For example, the Bible shows that Jesus did not have long hair (1 Corinthians:11:14). And just because Leonardo da Vinci in his painting The Last Supper portrayed one disciple as looking somewhat feminine is no evidence of anything—certainly not that one of the 12 disciples was Mary Magdalene or any woman.
The only record we have of Mary Magdalene is the 12 times she is mentioned in the four Gospel accounts. Jesus cast seven demons out of her and then called her to be one of His followers. She was extremely grateful and dedicated and became a sterling spiritual example.
It is fascinating that after Jesus' resurrection, His first appearance was to a woman—Mary Magdalene (Mark:16:9). Knowing the patriarchal prejudices in that society that still affected Jesus' disciples, it was further proof of His acceptance of the full worth of women.
But worship her? On the last page of The Da Vinci Code, the fictional professor thinks he has found the tomb of Mary Magdalene. "With a sudden upwelling of reverence, Robert Langdon fell to his knees." And his thoughts were, "The quest for the Holy Grail is the quest to kneel before the bones of Mary Magdalene. A journey to pray at the feet of the outcast one."
The first of the Ten Commandments forbids the worship of anyone but the one true God (Exodus:20:3). GN Last edited by Truth.8 on 18-9-2014 11:57 PM
If Jesus was married to a woman, surely it would be recorded in at least one of the four Gospels or mentioned somewhere in the many New Testament verses on marriage. Yet there is not so much as a hint of it.
And yet, we know for certain that many of the contents of the Bible were edited out and every Church priests since were swore to uphold the Nircine Creed that states that the edited Bible was the official Bible which they will follow. A Bible which were created 300 years from the time of alleged death of Jesus and were written in support of Roman Emperor named Tiberius whose forefathers were killing Jews and Christians alike.
I like to mention as well that historical scripts like the Dead Sea Scrolls which were written at the time of Jesus did not mentioned anything about the Son of Goat, ahem, God but did mention a lot of things about many of the characters in the Old Testament, including Moses, Joseph and David. Why is that? Why never mentioned the main character but did mention a lot of other people? Could it be that Jesus himself was a fictional character who could be created 300 years AFTER the Scrolls were written?
Jesus had to focus entirely on His mission. Knowing He would have to give His life as a sacrifice for all humanity, it would have been incomprehensible that He would marry someone whom He would shortly leave a widow.
Two logical reasons here :
1. He did not know that he going to die and his role as a sacrificial lamb was created by the Roman Church later to justify their parts and to create a break between Jews and Christians whom they fear could join forces.
2. Most Middle-east people marry at early age - between age 16 - 18 years old. Jesus was past his thirties and he have been travelling with Mary and others. So why is it impossible for him to be married?
Main reason why they have problem accepting Jesus as a married person is because Christians kept looking at him as a Son of God and not as a Man.
• Marriage to a woman would have created great confusion about the present and future role of His wife. Should she be adored and worshipped?
You must came from a very confusing family.
Cos in most other families, the role of a woman and man is clearly defined. The Man will work in the field and bring home the bread (so to speak) while the woman will maintain the house hold, its resources, their family as well as their affairs. The role is clearly defined in ANY religion.
Furthermore, IF Jesus married and had a wife, he could be in a better position to spread the Gospel than what he could done without a wife. He could concentrate in spreading the teachings while his wife could ensure the needs of the people and their own family are in order. He couldn't have to worry about every little things.
Furthermore, the relationship between Jesus and Mary could be used as a reference to create a Worldly Kingdom in par with a Heavenly Kingdom. How she handle the worldly affairs and needs of the People can be used in later time to create a Church where the sole purpose could be to spread the Gospel and take care the needs of the People. ANY INTELLIGENT GOD could want this, but NOT A ROMAN GOD NAMED JESUS. WHY is that?
Sephiroth posted on 19-9-2014 09:13 AM
And yet, we know for certain that many of the contents of the Bible were edited out and every Church priests since were swore to uphold the Nircine Creed that states that the edited Bible was the official Bible which they will follow. A Bible which were created 300 years from the time of alleged death of Jesus and were written in support of Roman Emperor named Tiberius whose forefathers were killing Jews and Christians alike.
you not even a Bible scholar...hence, your view considered to be rubbised and bull...secondly, you dont even attend church not getting good Bible scholar to study...you pick and choose to attacked the Bible for your own comfort...
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